Norfolk's $232 million starter light rail line has cleared the final hurdle for federal financing. Construction is scheduled to start this November, and "The Tide" will begin carrying passengers in early 2010. This map shows the planned route and stations. Click a name or station to watch animations, provided by Hampton Roads Transit, of what the stops are expected to look like.
Interactive: Animated map of Norfolk's light rail
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It would sure be nice if
It would sure be nice if pilot/hamptonroads.com web programmers could FIX THIS WEBSITE so that all of it works with Firefox. You guys on Microsoft payroll over there???
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Shuttles
It would be nice if there could be a direct shuttle service from the Oceanfront to the Newtown Road station (stopping at Lynnhaven Mall and VB Town Center) and another one at the Medical Center station going to the Naval Base and stopping at ODU. Existing bus routes (20, 2) servicing those areas take waaay too long and stop too many places, and MAX bus service doesn't even stop at Town Center or ODU (it should, lots of free parking available at town center). Perhaps these shuttle services can be a "band-aid" to the solution until the light rail line (which is INTENDED to only be a starter line) can be extended in both those directions.
Start
Should have just run it right down VA Beach Blvd. Tap into all the parking at Janif, Mili Circle, VB Town Center, Convention Center, etc etc. Other end to ODU and on to the navel base. So little room in Ghent, but might be able to run it down one of those small side streets close to Hampton Blvd.
Light Rail
I guess since Norfolk will be losing a carrier there is no need to provide transportation to NOB. One would think getting thousands of cars off the road (base traffic) would solve many of the traffic problems in Tidewater.
Maglev Public Transit
The truth is that maglev is POTENTIALLY the LEAST expensive transit system to build and operate. You only need one six foot diameter easement every 150 feet. Everything else is in the air. The easiest place to run monorails is down the middle of existing streets.
The future of public transportation will not be "mass" transit. Instead there will be a maglev system of small vehicles that hold 4 to 6 passengers. You go to a station, (of which there can be many), where there will be "cars" waiting. You tell it where you want to go and the "car" takes off. Once up to speed the car will travel at speeds exceeding 100 miles per hour. Each station will be off of the high-speed line, so you will exit the 100 Mph track, decelerate and stop in the station where you disembark at your destination.
You travel at top speed between your origin and destination without having to stop at any stations in-between. Imagine being able to go from the oceanfront to waterside in 10 minutes. These are not mass transit, (shared), vehicles so they don't have to stop at every stop which means you can put in as many stops as you want.
Also, there would be no need to transfer from one "line
Just Say No
to this looming financial disaster. Using HRT's inflated passenger estimates above, 1 659 840 passengers will ride the trolley each year. If HRT can get $5 per ride (unlikely), it will generate only $8.4 million per year- not enough to cover operating costs, let alone capital costs which will far exceed the $232 MM budgeted. I suspect that far fewer people will ride this foolish waste of resources.
I hope that the Beach Council is wise enough to resist the pressure to extend this Tracked Titanic. Haven't we learned from Nauticus, the Soccerplex etc etc etc? This won't be a monkey on the backs of the taxpayers, it will be King Kong.
The initial route and maglev
The reason it was not extended first out to ODU and NOB is because no extinct lines exist that go out that way, the cost would be so much more to start with that. The starter line goes through downtown and out to the VB line. This was chosen because an old Norfolk Southern line already exist that simply needs to be revamped to allow for light rail, this means very little eminent domain compared to carving a new line through the urban jungle. Also a maglev is the most expensive form of rail both to construct and to operate. It would be nice, but very unpractical. If a rail is ever taken out to NOB i'd imagine the line would mirror a line already active...one that takes coal from the ports to beside harbor park. The hardest rail to build would be one out to ODU, possibly a rail could go to lamberts point then branch off down powhatan to ODU.
Light Rail
As usual, Virginia Beach city council is sitting on their hands and doing nothing. This system is the future but city council would rather wait on "something." VOTE THE BUMS OUT and elect someone who is not afraid to move forward.
Light Rail to Va. Beach
I guess the legislators think Norfolk is looking pretty smart now in regards to Light Rail. Va. Beach's decision to not participate in light rail a number of years ago is probably the stupidest decision ever made. After all, 2/3 of the original proposed light rail was to be in Va. Beach. If construction was currently proceeding in Va. Beach as in Norfolk, a connection would be forthcoming from Towne Center to Lynnhaven Mall and the Oceanfront. But at the time Va. Beach was to scared of anything connecting its city to the perceived rife rafe in Norfolk.
Buses
How is this system any different than running buses? It would have to be regional to have any affect on traffic, and, as was stated, it should be elevated and service the military bases. The military is the areas largest employer, if you can make it convenient for those people to use it, then that's 10s of thousands of cars off the roads during peak commute times.
Re: Light rail...
I am for the light rail. With the high gas prices, I would be willing to travel by light rail. My only hope is that it can expand to places like Suffolk, Newport news, etc. ANGELO
It should be elevated and maglev
It should be elevated and maglev. Speaking of which, I visited the American Maglev technologies website the other day, and to my surprise there is a new test track in Georgia. And a picture of Alberts and the head guy of ODU there. Did ODU give back improved control systems technology? What's going on with that? That is where the excitement is, not Norfolk Trolly 2.0, redeployment of history. Atlanta has MARTA, they don't even need the Maglev.
Initial route information
Why is it that the initial route for this light rail system do not include ODU or any of the military bases? Who decided what the initial route would be and why? I must have missed that information in one of the earlier VP articles.
Virginia
Virginia Beach needs to get with it, or Norfolk needs to allow Virginia Beach to add on to the Tide. Just think, having this lightrail system going to the beach. It will pass Town Center also. More persons are likely to go the Norfolk Tide games from the beach, if they would not have to worry about traffic. It would be better to pay now for adding, then later, and the benefits that both cities would incur would be great for this area.