The Virginian-Pilot
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WASHINGTON
Even when state law doesn't permit them to make an arrest, the Constitution allows police to hold and search someone suspected of a minor offense, lawyers for Virginia and the federal government argued Monday in a Portsmouth case that has made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
"A violation of state law does not equate to a violation of the Constitution," said Michael Dreeben, the Justice Department's deputy solicitor general.
Dreeben and Stephen McCullough, Virginia's deputy solicitor general, urged the justices to reinstate the drug conviction of David Lee Moore, who Portsmouth police found was carrying 16 grams of crack cocaine when they pulled him over for driving on a suspended license in February 2003.
The Virginia Supreme Court threw out the drug case in 2006, ruling that because Virginia law explicitly bars arrests in most cases for that offense, police had no authority to search him and find the cocaine.
The case, which is likely to be decided by summer, raises questions about the relationship between state laws and the federal Constitution as well as the limits of the Constitution's protection against "unreasonable" searches by police or other government agencies. Police and prosecutors argue that a ruling in Moore's favor will make it more difficult for them to obtain evidence of serious crimes.
Tom Goldstein, a Washington lawyer who argued on Moore's behalf Monday, said police pulled his client over on the traffic charge as a pretext for a search of both Moore and his hotel room; officers testified that they suspected that Moore was involved with illegal drugs.
Goldstein told the justices that a ruling against Moore would encourage police to make illegal arrests on a range of trivial offenses for no other reason than that it would allow them to search for evidence of other, more serious crimes.
Goldstein told reporters after Monday's court session that Virginia is among a number of states to bar or limit arrests for such minor violations of state law. The laws are an attempt by legislators to direct police attention and resources to more serious crimes, he suggested.
But McCullough and Dreeben said that, regardless of state laws, the Constitution and a long line of court decisions interpreting it permit police to conduct a search and make use of evidence it produces when they have probable cause to believe any crime has been committed.
Both sides in the hourlong argument were peppered with questions from the justices.
At one point, McCullough conceded to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg that the drug evidence against Moore could not have been used in court had police simply written Moore a ticket on the traffic charge, as state law directs.
Then Ginsberg pounced. "Would you explain the logic of saying that when the police violate state law, then the evidence can come in, but when they comply with state law, it can't?" she asked.
McCullough answered that the Portsmouth officers who searched Moore could have been sued by him for trespassing or disciplined by the police department.
"State law provides remedies," he told reporters later. "It's just that the remedy isn't to let the guilty go free just because the constable blundered."
Justice Stephen Breyer meanwhile, focused on portions of the state law that allow searches in some cases but ban them in others, even though the crime involved is the same.
Breyer said there would be no question about the propriety of the search if police had determined that Moore was a threat to others or was likely to continue driving illegally once released. Goldstein acknowledged that was correct.
Moore completed his jail terms - five years on the drug charge and 90 days on the traffic count - in 2006. He was not present for Monday's proceedings. His lawyers said they are not in contact with him.
Dale Eisman, (703) 913-9872, dale.eisman@pilotonline.com

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And another thing....
The reason "they went back to where Mr. Moore lived" was because he consented to it- he was asked if he had any more drugs in his hotel room and he said no. He was asked if he minded going back to the hotel so the detectives could search it and he again said no. One of the detectives in the case stated in court that there was an "on-going investigation" into Mr. Moore's "activities." Obviously they didn't just happen to see him riding down the street and decide it was pick on David Moore Day. They knew a lot about him already and like I said before- he handed them probable cause on a silver platter. Take the time to read the court transcripts- you'll see there was A LOT more to this case than what has been reported by the media.
JCB - this is what you missed
This is clearly a Constitutional issue - period! The 4th Amendment to the US Constitution was drafted to protect the citizens from just the sort of thing that happened to Mr. Moore. That Mr. Moore was, and probably still is, a low-life is secondary to the larger picture. If by force (regimes or military states) or by choice (where this country seems to be headed), an institution or person in authority is permitted to have free and unlimited access to the person, possessions, or domicile of another, that access WILL be abused. Don't think so? Take a peak at the histories of Nazi Germany, Communist China, Communist N. Korea, 20th century Poland, and the list goes on. "Papers please" is NOT something the citizens of this country should ever have to face, but we are slowly creeping down that path. Heard of the proposed electronic IDs that are being floated in the name of Homeland Security? If not, do some research into this latest concept to further infringe on the rights of our free society. IDs are the NEXT step toward "papers please", and it's terrifyingly close right now.
Here we goooo~~~~
I find this totally assinine...here we have a place busted in a friendly game all the while the druggies and pedeophiles are lurking around watching this idiotic fiasco laughing their butts off! Freedom? We are becoming a tyrany state!The DOJ and police need to find better things to do with their time and our tax dollars!
SAN JOSE HOME POKER GAME BUSTED
The weekend saw another dramatic police raid on American citizens, this time in San Jose where Patricia McCoy and Cuthberto Cardenas were arrested and subsequently released on bail on accusations of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and fraudulently obtaining money under false pretenses. Local police alerted by neighbourhood complaints of excessive vehicular traffic found poker tables and twenty players enjoying poker action when they entered the house Saturday afternoon. Among those found was a thirteen year old girl, who was taken into protective care.
Subsequent investigations revealed that the games had been advertised on the Internet, and players told police that their buy-ins averaged $25 to $55.
Well said Sailorcurt
Here's another:
"Those that would give up liberty for security deserver neither"
- Benjamin Franklin
I think you all are missing something
When Mr. Moore was arrested they searched his person, his car and took him to where he lived to search it. At what part of a normal traffic arrest does searching a residence come into play?
Plus the arrest itself was illegal under state law, so how could any searches leading from that arrest be legal?
It goes beyond what Mr. Moore was doing to back the law, but what the police did to break the law.
Now the state is trying to excuse it by claiming it doesn’t have to follow state laws when it comes to arresting people.
The Supreme Court should step aside on this one, it is purely a state matter. And I suggest the police learn to follow the law.
What are we afraid of?
If you don't have anything to hide, why are you afraid of a search?
Well, I guess the police should just be able to come into your home and search it any time they please. I mean, what do you have to hide?
The Police should be able to stop you on the street any time they want and frisk you right? Or maybe only if you commit a crime...like, say, jaywalking? You've never done that right? You're not a criminal. So what if you're in a hurry, you missing an appointment or being late for work is a minor sacrifice to catch criminals isn't it?
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates his duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
--Thomas Paine
Rein in the out-of-control police!
I'm stunned that Bob McDonnell would say that though the stop was illegal, what followed was ok (yesterday's story). That runs squarely against the US Constitution's protection against unreasonable search and seizure, and I'm sure the US Supreme Court will strongly reprimand the Atty General for his gestapo tactic. Giving the police such broad powers won't just invite more violations of the rights and civil liberties of those of us living in this free society, it will almost DEMAND it. Taking drug dealers off the street can be done without further encroachment into our lives by over-zealous governments and wide-eyed, cowboy cops. The problem with society, though, begins long before the government and police are involved. I'd be surprised if the VA Supreme Court's decision is overturned, but Moore has already served years in prison for this abuse of power by the police - hope he sues the department and the arresting officers when upheld because someone's got to get these yahoos under control.
The law applies to everyone, even the police…
It’s not a matter of having something to hide… it’s that we have rights. And, part of those rights is that little thing called the Forth Amendment to the US Constitution, which states… The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
There is obviously more to the law than you know… educate yourself rather forming an opinion based on emotion.
driving on a suspended license isn't an arrestable offence?
In my opinion it should be! No license means no insurance on the vehicle. So if the person driving with no license causes an accident, the VICTIM is stuck with all the bills or suing his own insurance company to get it taken care of. That's the first stupid part of this. The second is saying police can't search your vehicle if they pull you over. Please, that is how a lot of crime is discovered. If you don't have anything to hide, why are you afraid of a search?
An illegal search is an illegal search.
"In briefs filed before today’s argument, McDonnell’s office acknowledged that Portsmouth police violated Virginia law in holding and searching Moore on the traffic charge."