Cyclists, drivers clash on use of scenic Pungo roads

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Cyclists have fallen in love with Pungo and its scenic rural roads.

But the feeling isn’t necessarily mutual.

Pedalers and the residents who live in southern Virginia Beach have been at odds in recent years. Bicyclists complain that drivers have purposely brushed by them or tried to edge them off the road. Residents grouse that the bikers sometimes ride in packs, block traffic and litter.

Now, a mildly worded resolution that supports cyclists is drawing controversy. The resolution, backed by Councilwoman Rosemary Wilson, encourages city staff to consider cyclists when they design road repavement or maintenance projects.

Paving an additional 2 -foo t-wide stretch of city right-of-way for cyclists would cost $80,000 a mile, Wilson said.

“To me, it’s a common-sense safety idea,” Wilson said. “At least if it’s wider, it’s safer.”

Wilson had planned to introduce the resolution at last week’s City Council meeting. But it met objections from Councilwoman Barbara Henley, who lives in the Pungo area and represents the Princess Anne District.

The Beach’s Agricultural Advisory Commission will now review the resolution before the council considers it. The commission is scheduled to discuss the proposal on Monday.

“Are we really intending every roadway in the city to be a bike and trailway?” Henley asked. “I don’t know if that’s the right thing.”

The roads around Pungo are narrow and barely can accommodate the cars and trucks added by residential growth, Henley said.

The city shouldn’t encourage cycling on roads that aren’t safe, she added.

“We’ve got to have a reality check here,” Henley said. “If it’s a substandard road, and there are people who have no choice but to be on the roads, what do you do when people want to use the roads for recreation? It’s not 'Do you like bikers or do you not like bikers?’ It’s a safety issue.”

For Chris Logan, a Kempsville resident, Pungo is the safest place in Virginia Beach to ride a bike because the roads aren’t clogged with cars and trucks.

“I’m not going to ride my bike down Indian River Road,” he said. “The law says I have as much right to be on the road as they do.”

Logan cycles through Pungo about three times a week and also participates in the organized rides put on by several local bike clubs and stores.

These rides have fueled some of the backlash from the community.

“It used to be cute 10 years ago to see a few bicyclists on a Sunday,” said Gene Hansen, president of the Back Bay-Pungo Civic League. “Now they’re out in the mornings and out midday.”

Many Pungo residents don’t let their children ride their bikes from one farm to another because the roads are too dangerous, and having the cyclists here adds to their concern, Hansen said.

The next civic league meeting, set for March, will be dedicated to the issue of sharing the road with cyclists, said Hansen, who supports the resolution.

Tom Coghill, president of the Tidewater Bicycle Association, said Wilson’s resolution would be the first step in making roads safer for bikers and drivers.

“It gives us a place to ride, and nobody will be nervous,” Coghill said.

 

Deirdre Fernandes, (757) 222-5121, deirdre.fernandes@pilotonline.com

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Oh yeah, one more thing.

For all those that would like to see injury or death come to anyone for such a reason as they ride a bike (even if they aren't riding the way you think they should), you may want to see a psychiatrist or consider accepting Jesus as your personal savior. Your attitude and lack of respect for human life are pretty maniacal. We shall call you the car NAZIS. Then again, maybe I'll look into your way of thinking; "Look at that mother of 3 going 5 mph over the speed limit, I hope she crashes into a tree and dies or becomes paralized." Nah, that isn't how I want to be known.

My favorite HIPPO-Crits

I love to see the anti-bike folks point out, "they run lights" or "they don't stop at signs." I drive a car and I ride a bike and let me say that ABSOLUTELY nobody is obeying the law. Yeah right, tell me you go the speed limit or stop everytime the light turns yellow; I'll call you a liar to your face. Let me say that I'm also enjoying the ad-hominem attacks: "brain dead," "stupid," etc. I guess if you drive a 3500+ lb vehicle and you don't get your way, everyone else is an idiot. I can't wait until gas is $6 or $8 a gallon and you whine even harder.

Don't know what to do anymore.....

I've read just about all the comments here. As a cyclist & a motorist, in general, drivers piss me off! When I'm in my car I see a lot more IDIOTS than when I'm on my bike. When I ride in Pungo I can generally count on one hand the number of cars that pass me. WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?!?! People FLY around me when I ride AND when I DRIVE MY CAR!!! No matter what road I'm on.

I understand the frustration on both sides, BUT.....if you can't wait a minute of two for me to safely get from point "A" to point "B".....IN MY CAR.....then you should take a laxative and CHILL OUT!!! I DO have a right, by law, to ride on the same roads I drive on. Just think.....we mostly ride in Pungo where there's not a lot of cars. What if we went down General Booth Blvd or Virginia Beach Blvd?! Like I said....I DO have that right if I so choose. Think about it for a minute......

responsibility

Some excerpts from previous posts:

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Narrow country roads with blind curves

They are barely acceptable and challenging even for autos.

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If you enter a blind corner unable to avoid an obstacle, then you are at fault if you hit someone. Or do you say young children crossing with a parent or teacher is at fault when you plough into them, killing seven???

Or a semi broke down and you plough into it, killing yourself.

It's stupid to speed into blind corners. If you can't see around the corner, SLOW DOWN. Maybe the speed limit should be lowered.

The auto-centricity of our society will end - too bad it can't all happen in our lifetimes - mass transit will replace all those cars, but there will be more bikes than ever!

cycling

We cyclists are not trying to say we are perfect. I and my teammates have yelled plenty times at fellow riders who are unsafe. We do need to be single file as often as we can. Drivers need to realize that if we are not single file it is often because the guy in front is tired and they are falling back to take their place at the end of the line. If we are approaching a stop sign (like the picture shows) we will fan out so as not to run into the rider ahead of us.
Drivers also need to realize that we ride in the country so we don't have to stop every minute at a light or a stop sign. We are not foreigners; we could be your next door neighbor.

design engineer + cyclist

I am a design engineer who works very closely with the City's in Hampton Roads. First of all $80,000 for 2'wide mile long paved road is grossly over estimated. Excluding excavation I would estimate it at $30,000, maybe add another 10grand for excavating. Cycling is growing exponentionally each year, so you better get used to us, we are taking over! Pungo is the safest place to ride for serious cyclists. I can't account for those out on a leisurely ride. There are a few bad cyclists out there giving us a bad wrap though for sure. I wiz past them on my bike almost every saturday and sunday morning.

I have no problem

With bikes on the road. They are out there doing something they enjoy and so what if it takes you a few extra minutes to get some where. What I hate is those on the bikes who really could care less about the rules - they ride the wrong way down the street and have no regard for the traffic lights. I understand the bike may be the only way they have to get to work, but you know you are on the road like every one else....pay attention when you ride and respect those on the road... not only 4 wheels but 2 wheels as well.....

Still the Same Stupid Remarks

I wish to address some of the responses. 1) I am a cyclist and a motorist. It appears that this concept is foreign to residents of Hampton Roads. Let me explain. I not only ride my bicycle, I drive a vehicle. In addition, I paid taxes not only on my vehicle; but, my bicycle, when I bought them both. Not only that, I am a homeowner and I am pretty sure the city of Virginia Beach enjoys the real estate taxes they collect.

2) Cyclists need to be more courteous. Single file guys. It is not that difficult.

3) This could be a win-win if we all worked together. The roads in Pungo are narrow. They would be narrow if cyclists were not out there. Why not use this as an opportunity to work to widen them together?

Always the automobile drivers fault?

William says "In fact, if there is an auto accident involving a bicyclist, it is presumed that the driver of the auto is at fault initially."

That's absurd. That's like saying a guys crashes into the side of another car because he ran a green light.

Bike Riding in Pungo

Most of the roads in Virginia Beach are very unsafe, and often drivers are preoccupied with use of the cell phone. The Pungo area has very few cars, and therefore it a very safe place to bike, in comparison with the rest of the city.
I believe we can have bike lanes on as many roads as possible. This summer I went on a week-long bike ride in Alaska. All of the major roads have bike lanes. In addition, drivers treat cyclists with utmost respect -something that does not happen around here. In fact, if there is an auto accident involving a bicyclist, it is presumed that the driver of the auto is at fault initially. That is not true here.

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