Economist: Virginia near recession, part of U.S. is already there

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Mark Zandi minced no words: Part of the nation is already in a recession. The rest of it is headed that way. And U.S. economic conditions will grow worse this year before they get better.

"My talk isn't going to be a happy one," warned Zandi, co-founder and chief economist of research firm Moody's Economy.com Inc. His luncheon speech Wednesday followed a presentation of the Old Dominion University 2008 Economic Forecast.

Zandi, one of the nation's more widely quoted economic forecasters, asked the audience of about 300 business executives whether they felt happy or worried. "You should be worried," he told them.

The housing crisis and concurrent crash of the lending industry bear the brunt of the blame, causing a wide ripple throughout the rest of the economy. In December, the unemployment rate surged by 10 percent from the prior year, Zandi said, and when that has occurred in the past, the country ended up in recession.

"When you get into recession, there is no guarantee that it will be short or mild," he said.

The color-coded map in Zandi's presentation showed that California, Florida, Arizona, Nevada and Michigan have fallen into recession, which Zandi defined as a broad-based decline in economic activity. The economic output of those states represents 25 percent of U.S. gross domestic product, he said.

Virginia stood in the "near recession" category, with its economy growing but at a slower rate, Zandi said. The housing market in Northern Virginia has caused most of the drag on the state, he noted.

The forecaster had some good news. A federal economic stimulus package under consideration should help temper some of the damage. A $150 billion package of incentives for consumers, businesses and social services won't stop a recession but could make it shorter and less severe, he suggested.

Until then, the economy will continue in its tailspin. The drop in both housing prices and construction at the end of 2007 hasn't been that dramatic since the Great Depression, Zandi said. Only a pullback in home-building and further price reductions can put a dent in the current level of excess housing inventory, and that won't happen for another year.

"Subprime shock" worsens the situation, adding foreclosures to the available housing stock and taking many homeowners out of the market. The securities market that backed those subprime loans, which accounted for more than half of mortgages in 2006, has fallen apart, he said.

As homeowners default on loans, the losses are likely to pile up for lenders.

"You get the sense that there's a significant amount of pain to come in the banking system," Zandi said.

Hampton Roads has seen fewer subprime problems than the nation and relatively stable housing prices, making the local horizon slightly less cloudy, Zandi said after his talk. "It's insulated from the financial storm that's affecting the rest of the country," he said of the region. "You're going to weather very well."

The credit crunch, though, squeezes every consumer. It reduces borrowers' ability to get car loans, school financial aid, credit card accounts and refinancing options.

"Without any credit, lenders can't lend," Zandi said.

And without credit, companies can't invest in new jobs. Average monthly job growth slowed to 75,000 from 100,000 jobs by the end of 2007, Zandi said.

Many of those still employed have lost their overtime or have seen wage increases dwindle. "People pack it in, psychologically and financially, and rein in their spending."

Add to all this the wild cards of the global economy and the oil markets. If gasoline doesn't start to fall from $90 a barrel by the heavy-travel days of summer, it's likely to climb to $4 a gallon at the pump, Zandi said.

"That's $100 billion sucked right out of the economy."

The government's economic stimulus, including a proposed rebate for taxpayers, could start to turn the tide by the second half of the year, ultimately adding 1.5 percentage points to the annual growth of gross domestic product, Zandi said. He said he would like to see money go to states to bolster spending on Medicaid, education and transportation projects - providing immediate benefits to families, workers and contractors.

"When we do a stimulus," he said, "we want something that can go into the economy today."

Carolyn Shapiro, (757) 446-2270, carolyn.shapiro@pilotonline.com

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C'mon, what's all the fuss about?

Ummm, I'm pretty sure this'll cause some of you to pause, but, what's the big deal? Of all the people I know, I don't know of anybody Not making Any money. In fact, with the exception of a few in the real estate field, most are making more. And of those in real estate, most are doing fine. And, for those who want more income, the Pilot's Employment pages are brimming.
The economy, like the stock market, like the housing market, like most things, has cycles it goes through. Just give it some time and the economy will be moving on up again. C'mon, this is a bunch of hype that'll blow away when some more exciting bad news comes along that the media can focus on. Ask yourself: Of all the people you know, how many are making less money than last year?

so VA's not there yet, eh?

well.....i guess the "powers that be" finally see whats going on in the real world......people can only survive on jobs that pay $8/hr for so long....especially in Hampton Roads, where you have no choice but to pay $800/month for a rinky dink apartment or a dilapidated house on that same $8/hr salary.....

This doesnt neccessarily mean "increase in taxes"

I think the camp that believes that every ounce of new government spending means "increased taxes" is once again, incorrect. First of all, any economic stimulus package that injects money in to the economy is much like an investment. That money is supposed to create more income opportunities for the economy, and therefore increase tax revenues to offset the original injection. Yeah, it doesnt neccessarily work, but thats the idea on paper. If it fails to generate the additional tax revenue, it could be paid a number of other ways. Primarily by borrow/spend tactics, which would shift the burden of repayment, which may or may not require an increase in taxes, to a later date, or it could just be paid with by an adjustment to the budget. Of course we have to trust our government for fiscal responsibility and thats the big wild card I guess.

Really?

I hope ODU did not pay a large speaking fee for this guy. Anyone who has taken Economics 101 could have given this speech. The housing surplus is the result of greed (city councils, developers & contractors). The subprime "crisis" is from the hen (lending regulators) not watching the henhouse and irresponsible financial behavior on the part of homeowners and buyers. Enter the beloved federal government.

"The government's economic stimulus, including a proposed rebate for taxpayers, could start to turn the tide by the second half of the year, ultimately adding 1.5 percentage points to the annual growth of gross domestic product, Zandi said. He said he would like to see money go to states to bolster spending on Medicaid, education and transportation projects - providing immediate benefits to families, workers and contractors."

How is all this going to get funded . . . though more taxes! Wake up!

Not all corporations the same

Please remember that every Corporation in this company isn't huge and pays huge bonuses.

I own a small corporation - 12 employees and I haven't had a pay check that I could cash from October until now. We pay 100% of the personal property taxes on our vehicles rather than the decreased amount the individual pays. Our real estate taxes have also soared as well as health insurance, business insurance and I hate to even think of the way fuel has affected us.

Lots of you work at corporations - small ones - this is hard on us too.

But whatever I'd get would be used to keep us going and keep our employees - I'm personally tired of paying for those who don't pay anything into the system.

More smoke and mirrors, folks.

Mr. Sandi said: "A $150 billion package of incentives for consumers, businesses and social services won't stop a recession but could make it shorter and less severe, he suggested." Au contraire...I don't think it will make much difference at all. The poor will use the money they receive to pay off some overdue bills. The middle class will simple bank it, or perhaps pay off a greater portion of their bills. The upper class will bank it. The corporations will take the income from the lower tax rates and allowances, and pay higher bonuses to their executives, NOT to the average worker. Please tell me how any of that bodes well for increases consumer spending? More smoke and mirrors, folks. Get ready for a bumpy ride.

Rebate ??

From what I understand not all will get this only those who could not pay all their taxes ? so people who would rather stand in line for welfare get money and we the tax payer get to foot the bill, just not rite if some get the money we all should.

Stop Working Against One Another

The federal government wants to send out checks for 800 - 1600 dollars, for us to stimulate the economy. Chesapeake City Council, with the real estate market taking a dive, wants to increase my property taxes this year between 4% & 7%. What sense does this make, if anything our property taxes should be scaled back. I would like to use my rebate money to help stimulate the economy, however it will be used to pay for my property tax increase. While this City Council continues to spend,spend,spend, they continue to rape the average homeowner to support their frivelous non essential spending habits. Let's Clean Sweep City Hall and start with new and fresh fiscal ideas. Vote May 6, 2008!

Rebate??

"The government's economic stimulus, including a proposed rebate for taxpayers, could start to turn the tide by the second half of the year."

Today's news trumpets the 'compromise' that allows rebates for those that don't make enough to pay taxes.

How can you get a rebate when you didn't pay in the first place?

I guess I'll use my rebate to pay the increased taxes that will result from these rebates.

jmo

Killing me

Between the health insurance and taxes taken out of my last check I could cry. I hope the Iraqis enjoy that chunk of my check.

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