The Virginian-Pilot
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A bill to significantly restrict smoking in most public places, and three other bills that would ban smoking in restaurants, all advanced out of the Senate on Tuesday.
The most far-reaching of the bills is legislation introduced by Sen. Mary Margaret Whipple,
D-Arlington. Her measure, SB298, would ban smoking in most public places, including restaurants and was approved, 23-15-1. It includes language to let localities adopt ordinances for their communities that place even more restrictions on smoking.
The three other bills that advanced ban smoking in restaurants. All are sponsored by members of the Hampton Roads delegation.
Sens. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, and Ralph Northam, D-Norfolk, are jointly pushing SB501, a measure that would prohibit smoking in restaurants and bars across the state but makes an exception for facilities with outdoor areas that aren't enclosed.
It was approved 28-10-1.
Two other bills would give local governments the option to tailor their own restaurant smoking laws.
Sen. Fred Quayle, R-Suffolk, has a bill, SB202, that would permit any locality to adopt a smoking ban in restaurants; while SB347, a bill from Sen. Harry Blevins, R-Chesapeake, is crafted specifically to give Hampton Roads communities a local option.
All four bills received affirmative votes from every member of the Hampton Roads delegation, but there was debate about the scope of Whipple's SB298.
Sen. Ken Cuccinelli,
R-Fairfax, was critical of Whipple's bill, saying that, in addition to curtailing smoking in public places, the measure targets people who privately gather to smoke together.
"This specifically targets attempts by the distinct minority of folks, even in Virginia, to have smoking clubs... an otherwise legal undertaking," he said, calling the language an unconstitutional restriction on the right of free association.
Citing data from medical studies about the negative health effects of secondhand smoke, Whipple said "it is time to take this important public health measure."
A public place, as defined in her bill, would include restaurants and bars, school buildings, child care facilities and recreational facilities.
The Whipple bill would require properties where smoking is prohibited to post signs indicating as much and to remove all ashtrays and related paraphernalia. Fines for violators would range from $100 to $500.
Locke said the bill she and Northam are sponsoring would ban smoking in restaurants and bars but would provide an exception for outdoor areas that are not enclosed. Like Whipple's bill, it would require that "no smoking" signs be posted. The bill carries a $25 penalty for violations.
Quayle said SB202 allows any locality in the state to adopt a local restaurant smoking ban.
Blevins' SB347 would provide the local option to Hampton Roads communities.
All four bills now advance to the House of Delegates.
Julian Walker, (804) 697-1564, julian.walker@pilotonline.com

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The real reality
$3702 was cost per smoker per year. You still owe $2424.50. You can make the check payable to PROGRESS IS GOOD. Thanks
To add something I missed earlier...
Contrary to DBVB's comment, I am not controlled by the tobacco industry, I am a non-smoker that is against this ban.
Contrary to Barb's comment, I am not ignorant or in no way defficient in my intelligence, but way to resort to personal (personal as in against a person, not against me specifically) attacks to prove your non-point.
Basically we allow smoking now, then prohibition (that is the banning of serving alcohol) comes next, then fattening foods.
I also tend to agree that if you try and state that second hand smoke kills you, you cannot stop there, you must continue on to automotive exhaust, heck we should ban farm animals from farting due to that nasty methane stench we drive through when we pass a farm...
So vote for Barb and kill all cows...
It continues
I see the non-smoking whiners are still at it. It kinda breaks my heart this world isn't big enough for all of us.
a little incite for progressisgood...
Although it is said, that figures don't lie, the truth of the matter is, that liars can figure...
A little reality for progressisgood...
I don't think that you appreciate how much tax is collected on tobacco products. In 1975, when I was in the Navy, a pack of cigarettes at 7-11 was about 60 cents. When our ship was deployed (past the 12 mile limit, where no tax is charged) the same pack of cigarettes was 14 cents. 14 from 60 is 46, or 76.6%(tax). These days (I'm told) a pack of cigarettes is about $3.50. Let's say, for the sake of argument (and to be generous) that the average smoker smokes 2 packs a day, and the rate of tax is 50%. Thats $7.00 (total cost) - $3.50 (tax) x 365 days = $1,277.50 per year. In a little less than 3 years, the $3,702 you mention has been paid. In most cases (certainly not all), it takes 25 - 30 years of smoking before serious health problems start appearing - enough to pay that $3,702 back 10 - 12 times. Still feel like laughing? Do it now, because someday we non-smokers will be picking up a substantial piece of that tab...
1984
You should look forward to a society like the one potrayed in 1984 they chain smoked throughout the book.
Here's the alphabet metaphor so you don't have to dig
Use the alphabet as a measure of socialistic laws adopted by your government to wield greater and greater control over the population.
Let's say, we've already allowed passage of A through R. What's happening here is that the population's memory is short, and they forget about A through R (they're already law) while S is being debated. If you don't remember that A through R have already occurred, what harm is S you ask? It's just a SMALL thing that doesn't affect me. The harm is that it is one MORE step down the path, and government counts on the fact that you'll forget A through S once they move on to T. Do you see how that works?
Once the alphabet is complete (but it's much larger than the alphabet), you're living in George Orwell's "1984". You'll wonder how this happened, but you won't know any better at that point like the wild pig in another of my posts from yesterday - you missed the big picture, but the government is taking care of you. That, my friends, is socialism bordering on communism.
Please
To DBVB,
Please don't try to coax me into a battle of wits with an poorly-armed opponent - I will prevail...
Case in point: Your vocabulary lesson missed one critical point. Control in your definition is modified by "political", not libertarian. There's a difference, so I'd suggest you didn't make your point. Would you like to try again?
Last, as for me getting upset, not a chance! I don't give folks that sort of control over MY emotions. Have a great day.
Todays commentary
Looking over the posts from overnight, I have to laugh (and cry). There are only a handful of those posting here that can see the BIG picture, and you know who you are. Those that seem to giggle with delight (mostly whining about smoke in their hair, blah, blah, blah) really don't get it at all. It is terrifying that you can't see the dynamic at work over the long term.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT SMOKING OR NOT SMOKING... This is about further intrusion into your liberties by government. For those that don't know what liberty is, it is the freedom to make your own choices without control. Sure, murder is "controlled", but that is also against God's law and the commandments, so that argument (made earlier) holds no value.
Big Brother is another story, and you're allowing Big Brother to further encroach on the rights of ALL people. One day, and it will happen, they will encroach on a liberty that you care about (we care about all liberties by the way), and your precedent will allow it to skate right on through to passage as a law. You really should read the alphabet comment from yesterday - I think it's a great metaphor for what's happening.
"Asthma-smoking is ONE cause
"Asthma-smoking is ONE cause of asmtha but that unlike smog is something we can control. Unless you know how to stop smog?? " Quote offered by barbj
barbj, smog is a combination of smoke and fog, thus it is call 'smog.' It's primary causes are the byproducts of combustible motors such as automobiles. We all know how to limit this problem but the goverment does little to enforce the changes. Fortunately they are being proactive in protecting our air on the inside of smoking establishments. It will be so nice not to have to smell like stale smoke when on my way home after a night out. Overall, I would have to say that your comments put a spot light on the fact that smokers are not as smart as non-smokers. If you feel you are being forced outside as pariahs, that is correct. Ever heard of Darwanism? Survival of a species?