Chesapeake police seize phone records of Ryan Frederick

Thanks for the info concerning the .223

The casing was listed on the evidence list returned on the warrant for the alleged murder. It listed 2 .38 casings and one .223. The .223 caliber is what AR-15 assault rifles use which are the weapons of choice for SWAT teams. If you don't think it's possible for a startled officer to accidentally fire off a round, read this story from North Carolina
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080229/NEWS/802290367/0/sports03
In this case, the officer fired "through a door" killing an unarmed, 18 year old suspect in his home. The officer was startled by the loud bang of the battering ram on the door, resulting in the officer accidentally squeezing off the killing round through the door. The officer was not indicted. In Frederick's case, there's been no mention of where the .223 casing was found, which officer fired a weapon, where the weapon was fired and when fired in relation to Frederick's shots. No mention yet as to whether or not bullets were recovered or the caliber of the bullet that killed Shivers (.223 or .38?) Even if Frederick fired the killing bullet, reasonable minds can see how he acted appropriately with a sad, accidental and unintended result.

Everyone keeps bringing up a .223 round. Can someone tell me where that was mentioned? Would like to read about it. Everyone also keeps talking about the S/W - is that posted anywhere as well? Thanks

Having expressed my opinion before that EVERYONE, police and general population included, should refrain from making inflammatory statements based on what "they heard," I've caught flack from both sides of the fence. I base my opinion on the fact that I was not present the night this occurred nor have I had personal conversations with anyone that was present. I only know what I have seen presented in the media. While I weep for my fallen Brother in Blue (RIP Det. Shivers) and the future of his family I also realize that another persons life has changed dramatically. I simply wish to reserve my final judgement until ALL the facts have come to light. Anything short of that would be irresponsible of ME as a human being. JMO

Narcs don't get a tip and cave in someone's door. It's investigated and if it has merit they apply for a search warrant to a magistrate by way of an affidavit. When preparing for a raid they use a point system to determine if the threat level necessitates the use of a SWAT team for entry. If not the narcs themselves conduct the raid and have sufficient training to do so. Two types of entry are "knock and announce" and "immediate entry" and the one used is determined by the threat level. Watching Law and Order, CSI, or Cops every night does NOT qualify the general population to be experts in the field of police work or evidence interpretation. Any LEO's length of service, my 20+ years included, does NOT qualify anyone to be a judge and jury and decide the young man's fate without a trial. The night was a tragedy for all involved. However, NO ONE should automatically assume there is a cover-up by the CPD or that RF deserves to be buried under a jail. We should allow the judicial system to work as it is intended and refrain from making statements not KNOWN to be facts. JMO

And I want in on some of that bridge selling action. I live In S Norfolk, & whenever I'm ripped off, or my truck burglarized, basically the report is just for insurance. Its happened several times over the years, & Ive never had 1 item recovered. There are some pretty brazen thieves in the area too. I also noted Jersey claimed more than once in the same post, of his abstaination in the use of weed. Comes across as a little defensive, but possibly just redundancy. Congratulations are in order for his choice not to smoke weed. Perhaps he has seen the movie Reefer Madness. Anyway it's great to see someone posting comments who is even more chastised than myself, no matter if they inhaled or not.

" I would appreciate a cite or reference confirming that every landline call is logged "

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605120018

(im sure there r more links but that one came up quick)

Happy Leap Day and thank you for the link. I did read the article and really looked at the valid points made by the writer. I agree, if the police were aware that the informant broke into the house and used the information for a S/W, that is very bad and illegal. The writer points out he spoke with several people close to Fredrick who say he is the nicest kid and a hard worker. I have not doubt that is the truth and people close to him would know best. Fredrick probably is or was into gardening, there is nothing to dispute that.
However, as for the neighbors who say they never heard the police knock and announce. Most people, we will assume, were watching TV with their surround sound on inside their homes with the windows and doors shut, it was January. For the neighbor, who stated she only saw two police, she probably did,maybe the other ones were taking cover from the guns shots. I seriously doubt there were just two cops serving this search warrant, if that is true then there must be a big review/change of procedures.
One question I would eventually like to know about is the .223 round, so I will wait for the trial, but I feel no matter how it is explained some peop

Jersey;
If you believe the police when they say that "Detective Shivers didn't break the door. He was killed by Ryan while standing in the front yard. Not on the porch." I have a bridge to sell you at a very good price. Please contact me! On your statement "If someone knocks at your door, why not answer it!" The police do not knock on your door like normal people they knock, announce, and use the battering ram all within a matter of seconds. It seems that only the strength of the door allowed Ryan Frederick to get as close to the door as he did. On your statement "If he was so scared, why not call the police John!" The last three times my cars were being broken into the police took over forty minutes to arrive! The only reason to call the police is to have them fill out a report so that you can collect your insurance. If the insurance company did not require it then there would be no reason to call the police at all. If it had been a illegal home invasion instead of the Gestapo, Ryan Frederick would be long dead by the time the police arrived. On your statement "Then again, what do I know" The answer is not much. Please read
http://www.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html
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When the prosecution is exercising their peremptory strikes from the jury pool, these will be based on the questions asked in court, & in some cases, research on individuals. Questions often are asked of prospective jurors to determine bias. The strikes are usually based on the answers given here, What is stated anonymously in a newspaper comment column will probably not come into play. If someone lives in Chesapeake, is a registered voter,, a licensed motorist, & not a felon, a possibility exist that they may be on this jury. Unless the venue is changed by the prosecution. Last I heard they said they think they won't ask for 1. The defense has stated that they will not.

Gentlemen, do yourselves a favor. Pull up this link, and read it. Pay particular attention to paragraphs 11 thru 17.

http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/24/report-from-chesapeake/

Most of your rants are full of what you "heard" rather than what was actually said (read the previous posts), I suggest you up your meds.

I'm no lawyer, but I am fully aware of what Fist Degree Murder is. It involves a little thing called premeditation. Love to here how RF planned to kill a cop when he didn't know they were coming.

BTW, the fries were great; keep up the good work and they may give you a job on the grill...

All these post with what if's, should have, could have, cover up, cover down, good old boys, .380, ,.223, 911 call, yada, yada. What happened is done? Some post ask really good question, but please stop stating what if it was barney at the front door. Please stop crying cover up by the medical examiner, really how can you think that one up? None of you will be on the jury because based upon your post most have already formed their opinion. What if the judge ordered a gag order in this case? Would that piss off the ACLU?

Um Claude, yes, I have heard of 911. Got to go play in the sand for a while as a result.

I would appreciate a cite or reference confirming that every landline call is logged, and for how long. Man, that's gotta be one heck of a data base...

You know John, The last I checked, Detective Shivers didn't break the door. He was killed by Ryan while standing in the front yard. Not on the porch. Why shoot when the people at the door knocked and you have 2 dogs in your house to protect you. I agree that if your door gets busted in you should identify your target then act. Why not identify who you're shooting. If someone knocks at your door, why not answer it! That's how us non marijuana users do it! Then again, what do I know, I don't smoke weed so I don't know what I would do if someone knock on my door. Again, if the police knock and they get no answer, the next step is to break the door down because we don't have a personal key to the house. Which is why they use a ram! (So the door gets busted in alittle and he is right there with his gun) Which means he heard the knocks but instead of answering it like a normal person he decided to grab his gun and stand waiting at the door. If he was so scared, why not call the police John! You seem like you're so smart!!! Got answers for that John W!!!!!

sidney16:
I do not believe that we should do away with all laws, only the stupid ones. Again I ask, Who cares if he was growing pot plants in the first place? I know it was unlawful, but what do you prohibition fans hope to accomplish? These stupid drug laws have led to the death of Detective Jarrod Shivers. How many more cops do you desire die over plants before you understand the cost is to high? Did you read William F Buckley Jr. http://www.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html
1976 Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0490e.asp
Do you even know who these people are?
Please read II kings 3:18-19, 26-27

It was illegal AT one time not to grow pot.

"GOD ALSO STATES YOU FOLLOW THE LAW OF THE LAND. THE LAW THE PEOPLE WROTE."

Well i dont think "GOD" said any of that but for the sake of argument lets say GOD did.... Would GOD have had that attitude over laws that kept blacks out of restaurants? Would u like to argue the merits of that?

"Should we do away with all the laws?"

No, just those regarding acts between consenting adults like drug laws and prosititution laws. It was illegal and one time not to grow pot.

Answer what question? My kids wont be throwing any balls through windows, they have moved on. The oldest is a computer net worker on the west coast, The youngest a physics major in college. As to previous posts I don't recall saying it was OK to shoot anyone. My main problem with this is the charge of first degree or capital murder, but, hey fish through my post if you wish & look for discrepancies. I won't be reviewing yours. Ive already had 2 laughs of the day now, & that's enough for anyone. You know you are very close to being removed from my fan club. If you are not in the fan club, you will never graduate to my entourage. lol

Ryan has stated he shot at the person entering through the bottom of his breached front door. The CPD keep insisting that he shot Shiver. If you keep hearing over and over and over that you shot a particular person then you're apt to repeat it. I hope the truth comes out and whoever is responsible is held accountable whether it is Ryan or the CPD. I've been involved as witness in another unrelated case within the Chesapeake court system for the last month. One thing I can affirm is the system is totally screwed up. People are being held accountable and severely mistreated by this 'just' system without ANY, repeat ANY, evidence to support the claims. It amounts to extortion, in this case, fully supported by a highly bias court system. The CPD is NOT without fault and NOT above making critical and costly mistakes. We could go on about kids and baseballs, etc. but that line of thinking is totally without merit and should be ignored entirely. None of us know what we would have done in a similar case but I suspect I would have emptied a clip.