Police too secretive in Shivers probe

I guess I will have to pay better attention to the categories. I thought I pulled the story out of local news, but, I probably got it out of most read. Anyway it was bugging me that I didn't know who wrote it. I really liked the story. Once again thank you for taking the time to answer.

While we speculate, and the City of Chesapeake maintains its smokescreen, Ryan Frederick sits in jail because the majorly flawed system. Considering this fate could befall any one of us, it is time for the local citizens to demand his release until such time as Chesapeake can tell the truth about this debacle.

How is it that the Newport News Police were able to snag over 80 people in a sweep of outstanding warrants - all without even a single shot fired or anyone being injured - yet the CPD can't even handle a single warrant against someone who's "criminal" track record only went as deep as traffic violations without gunfire, horrible death of an officer, and the appearance of a coverup? Maybe the CPD should attend some of Newport News Police Departmental training.

Everything that post has in it was been previously stated in Pilot news stories. It appears all he did was condense it to make a point. I'd drawn the same opinion but I'm not an active "poster".

Its an editorial. The editors wrote it.

Another echo of comments aforementioned. Ok, now you've stepped up to the plate. Will you follow through on the swing and see how far you can hit it Pilot? Another point to think about: Is the silence a stall tactic so officials can wait until they're 'not official' for info to be released and dodge any fallout as a result of the information? Makes one wonder. Frederick deserves punishment just as much as anyone whom did not perform honorably on the side of the law and thus resulted in an un-needed death. My faith in the CPD has waned for years now. I have several friends in the department and they have told me by words and their unspoken persona that personnel in the department (however high up it goes) want their officers to have a chip on their shoulder and therefore carry on with a mob-like mentality. So far as with the handling of this case, such judgement certainly appears to maintain its accuracy. Oh, and to the poster asking if we want national TV attention, we citizens have nothing to hide!

Just what is the source of all that information categorized from 1 to 5? Except for #4. That one, I figured out. I mean if you don't mind telling me? Its getting tiring reading all these other comments who apparently aren't privy to the facts that you are. Oh, if you know anything else pertinent. I'm listening.

I think once the retirement of the "most reclusive chief" in Hampton Roads is official, the new Chief will step up and enlighten the public. At least I hope so for the men and women of the Chesapeake Police Department. Mr. Harrell, are you reading this?

On January 24th, 2006 Fairfax County resident, Salvatore Culosi was shot to death while standing on the sidewalk in front of his home while talking to an undercover officer. As I understand it he was shot by a Fairfax County Swat team member there to help serve an arrest warrant on him for running a small time illegal sports betting operation. The shooting apparently occurred as the Swat officer was exiting his car, and if the investigation into how the weapon was discharged can be believed (IMHO it can't) was purely accidental according to Police findings.

How a 17 year veteran officer could manage to have the safety off and his finger near the trigger while exiting his car to assist serving a warrant on an otherwise remarkably unthreatening and in all other respects respectable resident, businessman and taxpayer was never completely clear. Ultimately the officer was essentially exonerated of all but the most cursory of wrongdoing. And other than receiving a short suspension (which I understand he appealed) and being removed from the Swat roster, received no further punishment. In fact, at the conclusion of the investigation Fairfax Commonwealth's Attorney Robert F. Horan

If he runs, in a city election, will get my vote. Ive never met him, but, from the comments that he has posted, & I have read, he seems very intelligent, astute, well informed, & genuinely concerned with the rights of the citizens. Furthermore, the questions he has been asking seem to be ones that could & should be addressed publicly by the various city departments without jeopardizing "the wheels of justice". This would probably minimize a lot of speculation, & passionate blog entries, with a lot of bad grammar, misspelling, by people who may or may not have bad teeth, which seems to be all we are allowed to have, at least up until this point!

As of 02/28/08 7:47 pm EST. ,it is uncredited to a writer at least on my computer screen. Oh well whoever wrote it, Thank You! "Give Credit Where Credit Is Due" Author Unclear

It's always a pleasure, to meet an optimist...

I appreciate the link. It is important to note that even the blogger acknowledges that this is hearsay. It will indeed be interesting to see how this plays out.

BTW, it would only take one honest cop, management or not, to blow an institutional cover-up wide open.

jmo

What with all of the Crime and General Weirdness emerging from Chesapeake these days, it appears they're giving Norfolk AND Portsmouth a run for the money.

The prosecution is required to share all of their information with the defense attorney, how about loosening the reins and share with the rest of us? After all, it is/will be a matter of public record. Could it be they don't have their story/facts together enough to even know what really happened that evening? Are any of the other police officers recieving the proper counseling as a result of this incident? They bring in hired guns to handle this case, whay is that? Can't Chesapeake prosecute it's own case? City/County prosecutors do it in all other areas, why not here? It is not like it will be held in this area anyway. The prosecutor can also ask that it be moved from this area. What a waste of resources from a city that just announced a hiring freeze! Pack up Chesapeake government and give them all the boot, before the election. Looks like they are all dead wood anyway.

...interesting reading and certainly not beyond belief, time will tell.

dfwdabull

I'm aware of what phishing is as I teach a course on it. I asked you a simple question as did others. A question you didn't answer except with a "snappy" reply.

What you are doing is "trolling."

This may answer some concerns about "new facts" and "phishing."

http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/24/report-from-chesapeake/

Pull it up, read it. Pay particular attention to paragraphs 11 thru 17.

JMO - I'm sure there are a large number of honest cops in the CPD - but I don't believe they ALL are. My concerns are with, "Management" not, "Labor."

I'm with Orion on this. You've made this statement several times. How do you know?

jmo

What you're doing is called "phishing". You're just trying to figure out how this stuff get's out when "officialdom" is trying to keep such a tight lid on it.

I have to question your evidence. This information was never reported and isn't even speculation at this point....

1."confidential informant" buglarizes Ryan's home (he's not charged)
2."confidential informant" gives police false information (he's not charged)
3.police raid Ryan's home based on false information resulting in officers death.
4.Ryan is charged with murder.
5.Doesn't this make the "confidential informant" accessory to murder?

Get the idea why 'officialdom" has so little to say?
Fellow citizens of Chesapeake...you want this on national TV??

There's a difference in what this editorial says and what many of the bloggers and posters are saying. The editorial says that the people deserve answers. I agree. However, many, many, MANY people are accusing the CPD of institutional corruption and a wide-spread cover up. Where's the proof of that? Their silence illicits questions, but doesn't provide proof of wrongdoing.

John Wilburn, to answer yesterday's question, yes, I agree that what you say is plausible. But I will not assume the worst in the absence of evidence. I'll reserve my judgment for when all the facts are made available.

I simply can't believe that there are no honest cops in Chesapeake.

jmo

The Chesapeake Police state that the forced entry was carried out correctly according to policy. What they are not saying (because they are in error) is that use of the forced entry was not justified and that the judge erred in allowing this warrant. This comes down to the attitude of doing thing because you have the authority as opposed to doing things because they are right.

Why am I not surprised….that VP would chose to try this case in their paper?.....after all there is an election in Chesapeake this year and what better way to begin the process to excoriate the current republican admin. than to start questioning the PD credibility….”failing in the court of public opinion”…since when did we try these cases in the “court of public opinion”?...what happened to letting justice runs its course?...if I remember my history correctly the court of public opinion lead to public lynching and innocent people put in jail…..and I question the good libertarian doctor’s motives also….nothing more than political ambitions …after one failed attempt, don’t be surprised to see him in the city elections….just laying his ground work…

There are too many unanswered questions and too much silence from authorities. The end result of this botched operation is an example of police trampling on the property rights of citizens. No amount of drugs could ever justify what happened that night.

Police procedures must be changed to stop this practice. Only matters of life and death should be permitted to utilize this method of gaining entry into a private residence.

It is abundantly obvious that the city of Chesapeake (using various mouthpieces) has been lying thru its teeth over this situation, for nearly six weeks. What are they hiding? It's nice that after all this time, the Pilot has finally gotten on board, and is beginning to ask questions...

What is needed here, is a detailed investigation by the Governors and / or Commonwealth Attorney's office - an internal review / investigation by the CPD would not be particularly enlightening.

This city has, "investigated its actions" in the past, and, as expected, has always concluded that its actions were proper / appropriate / exemplary.

Just ask the parents of a murdered 17 year old kid...

Any legal case for the prosecution of a citizen which would be weakened by the public knowing the truth, is a case which should not be made in the first place.

What does the Mayor have to do with botched search warrants? The City Manager has called for an independent review of police procedures; what more can he do? And as for the Chief of Police, whether or not he seems "reclusive" to the Virginian Pilot has nothing to do with his executive performance. Whatever findings that are made public of an internal investigation of this situation certainly would have any impact one way or another in a case which is now in the hands of the judicial system.

The battle over the unanswered questions about this tragic incident has been fought so far only by a handful of libertarian blogs (Reason.com TidewaterLiberty.com IFAQ.com and theAgitator.com) and in the Pilot's interactive reply sections, but at last the traditional media arrives to bring the clout and resources to this investigation it deserves. It has been a long six weeks, but it is good the see the regular troops of the fourth estate step up and carry the battle from here.

But this article is definitely a huge step towards that restoration. Definitely more professional than that toilet paper Kerry wrote. I'm not pro-Frederick or Pro-CPD, I am pro-info and will reserve my opinion and my judgement until more facts are revealed and I will by no means consider anything coming out of any Hampton Roads civil authoritie's mouth as fact until proven beyond a resonable doubt.