The Virginian-Pilot
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VIRGINIA BEACH
Marcia Elsbery never saw the man who killed two apartment workers and wounded three others on Wednesday. But she heard him all the time.
William T. Smith banged rhythmically on the walls of the apartment beneath her in Thalia Gardens for hours at a time.
Some days it began at 3 a.m., others in mid-afternoon.
"It sounded like doom, doom, doom, doom," she said. "I know it by heart now."
Elsbery realized Smith was a man only from the sound of his groans and his regular bouts of crying. He never would answer the door when she went to investigate.
On June 6, Elsbery complained in a memo to the apartment complex's management company about Smith.
The company told Elsbery in a June 7 e-mail to call the police. She wishes she had.
"The families need to know there were warnings, there were signs," said Elsbery, who said she lived above Smith from Jan. 2007 until last month when she bought a house.
Elsbury wrote her memo to the complex's management company after Smith was especially loud over the previous weekend.
"This man clearly has some sort of mental disability," she wrote. "He beats on the walls, he will not answer the door or come outside, and the patio window has a sheet over it. Outside of that, I could hear him weeping and crying periodically throughout Sunday afternoon."
The message also noted there was no response to her repeated requests for apartment security to intervene.
The one-sentence e-mail reply to Elsbery's memo said, "If the situation that you went through over the weekend should occur again, please call the police for disturbing the peace."
Property management officials said the apartment was leased to Smith's mother, whom they have not named. They did not know how long he was living there alone.
Her lease, which was to expire March 31, was not going to be renewed because of numerous noise complaints, said Miles Leon, president of S.L. Nusbaum Realty Co., the property manager.
The mother called Wednesday from New York, the day of the shooting, to authorize an inspection of the apartment so she could get her deposit back, Leon said.
Leon said complex workers didn't know that Smith, 52, was there when they went to the apartment to do the inspection, and he answered the door naked.
Workers told Smith they would come back in an hour.
"On the second trip, they expected him to be gone," Leon said.
When workers returned, Smith had armed himself with an AK-47 assault rifle and a MAC 10 9-mm handgun and began shooting, police said.
Police said they still are trying to determine where he got the guns.
Rebecca Hughes, 32, a mother of two and a maintenance worker in the complex, died in the parking lot. Three others were wounded but escaped and were taken to hospitals.
When police entered the apartment, they discovered the bodies of Sam Shestul, 63, a maintenance worker and immigrant from Ukraine, and Smith, who had apparently killed himself.
Police have not named the wounded. Two were in stable condition and one in critical condition, police said Friday.
Smith apparently was a recluse. None of the neighbors interviewed on Friday could say for certain they had met him.
Morgan Fine, whose patio is next to Smith's, said she never saw the man. She found that odd because she said she is on her patio 10-12 times a day to smoke cigarettes.
A piece of white fabric completely blocks the view into the apartment where Smith lived.
"Nobody was ever there," Fine said. "Really strange. You never know who your neighbors are."
At the end of her June memo, Elsbery wrote, "If this man has a disability then he needs to live in an environment that can aid him in his daily living, not in a closed-in apartment with no contact with people for days at a time."
She wished complex management had done something about her warning.
And her own regret: "I wish to this day I would have called the police."
Aaron Applegate, (757) 222-5122. aaron.applegate@pilotonline.com

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Gun Laws Avert Mass Mall Shooting in Japan
Instead we have a mass stabbing. There is no discussion about the type of knife used or if he had a lic or whether or not he had gotten the knife through a knife show loop hole.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...336718/1/.html
Quote:
One killed, 7 injured in knifing spree at Japanese shopping mall
Posted: 23 March 2008 1414 hrs
TOKYO : A Japanese fugitive wanted for murder on Sunday killed one man and injured seven other people in a knifing spree at a shopping mall in a Tokyo suburb, police and media reports said.
Masahiro Kanagawa, 24, was captured by police near the scene in Tsuchiura, Ibaraki prefecture, shortly after the attack, said a spokesman for the prefectural police.
A 27-year-old man died of his injuries in hospital, the spokesman said.
Kanagawa, who is suspected of murdering a 72-year-old Tsuchiura resident on Wednesday, has been on the police's most wanted list. - AFP/ch
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And I mean it.
In order to ensure a safe police state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms must be infringed.
Who ARE you!!?????!!!!
whoever you are bohdanjans90336, you should not post ignorant comments. I live at Thalia Gardens Apts, 1 house down from the maintenance office and 150 yds from the shooting on Inverness Rd. Sam, or Mr. Shestul to you, was doing his job, which was to inspect apartments after evictions. Mr. Smith had no business being in the apartment, AT ALL, he was not listed on the lease as the apartment belonged to his mother. The workers did not know that he was going to be there. Sam was one of the kindest people in the world, and if some maniac had not taken his life he would have most likely outlived most of us. Sam and Rebecca were two of the hardest workers at Thalia. They are both deeply missed, Sam in particular for his easy smile, his dedication. How dare you make assumptions about people you do not know, about a place where you dont live and about a situation that you have no idea about. I dont know who is to blame, I dont care, my once lively neighborhood is a ghost town and I cant wait to move as far from Virginia, the commonwealth of easy access to guns, as I can get. Dasvetdanya, Sam, you are very missed and we wont forget your smile, love of soccer or dedication to your jo
Debate
"whatever", you can't sit there and attack all who post on here and then in the end say you’re NOT against hunters, collectors or owners. I’m sorry, but your argument does not differentiate between the types.
I counter Kirk because he is intentionally trying to mislead and paint a lopsided picture. He offers no constructive ideas and tries to convince people we (as gun owners) do not want to stop crazy people from getting guns.
Any unintentional death by firearm is tragic. There isn't one person in this country who doesn't want to see that number shrink. So how can you sit there and put words in our mouths and tell us we're all crazy?
I think it's safe to say that everyone here believes in gun control. The only difference is each individual's definition of gun control.
I believe I have done my best to represent the gun owner's side in an intelligent and respectful manner.
Statistics without perspective are useless!
Holy cow Kirk. Even after you were shown that your statistics were skewed, you continue to babble the same misleading statement. Do you not listen? Are you that closed minded?
Let’s put your statistic into perspective. Since 1982, there have been 1,030,848 traffic fatalities. It took an additional 22 years of statistics to get your number as high as this. Let’s continue on. 478,915 of these involved alcohol. This is from 1982 to 2005, the latest the CDC has statistics for.
Did you know in 2005 alone, there were 117,805 unintentional deaths? Vehicle accidents accounted for 43,667 deaths. Do you know how many were caused by firearm? 880. You can look at all the statistics you want. Without perspective they are meaningless.
My source is legitimate. How about yours?
I am buying a gun this
I am buying a gun this weekend. Gun show this weekend VB Conference Center. GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE!!! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. You can kill a person with a pencil, gas, a stick, a match, a person can fall in a fight and die. Get over it people. If people want to have guns it is their right. A person can go insane at anytime stop making excuses.
Give it up Kirk...
We are wasting our words with these fools.
These GunNuts don't or can't listen to reason. All they hear is the sound of the slide when they cock their weapons. They don't want reasonable anything. They are brainwashed and believed that the solution to our violence problem is for everyone to arm up and gear up for a war. They don't support any measures for improved gun control, they think automatic weapons have legitimate civilian usage, they hide childishly behind the U.S. flag and twist the 2nd Amendment to suit their purpose. They are so nutty they make believe they are part of some militia that will be called to action is some future time.
This is the mentality we are fighting throughout the country. Ignorance multiplies faster than enlightenment and it seems they are more than happy to live in their blind world. Where the gun seems to be worshipped as idols were in the ancient past.
I am not against hunters, gun collectors, or gun ownership. I am against ignorant folks who think more weapons are the solution and can't see past their own short barrels. GunNuts are plain nutz.
What is bohdanjans90336 Questioning?
This article clearly explains why the maintenance workers went to the apartment instead of the police. This was NOT an eviction - the apartment complex had chose not to renew the legal tenant's (Mr. Smith's mother) lease and were doing a routine move-out inspection. This is a typical part of the process when someone moves out, whether by choice or not. Had it been an actual, legal eviction, where the parties had gone to court and a judge decided for the apartment complex, the process would have been different and would have been left to the sheriff's department (not the police).
One million Americans have been killed by guns
One million Americans have been killed by guns since 1960. What would the reaction be if one million Americans had been killed by "terrorists?" Other countries have sensible gun control laws, why can't we? Because the politicians are in the pocket of the gun lobby.
Boblakeman and CH check your facts.
The NRA was on board with making it harder for the mentally ill to buy firearms. Also CH you said he would have been able to only kill one person without a gun. So is one death an acceptable version for you? Remember 911? Hijackers took over aircraft with box cutters and killed over 3000 people. Perhaps if he had used a car would you want to ban them? Proud NRA member here and VCDL member. As a matter of fact I think I'll send them more donations just for you guys!!!!!
"Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom"
An ironic choice of words!