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Gunman, two victims identified in rampage at Beach apartments

Posted to: Crime News Virginia Beach

VIRGINIA BEACH

Police this afternoon identifed the man they say killed two maintenance employees at Thalia Gardens Apartments last night and then apparently killed himself.

The gunman was William T. Smith, 52, of the 4100 block of Inverness Road, said Margie Long, police spokeswoman.

The two victims are Rebecca Hughes, 32, of the 5300 block of Leicester Court in Virginia Beach; and Sam Shestul, 63, of the 1000 block of Woodrow Avenue in Norfolk.

Three people also were wounded, but police would not identify them. One is in critical condition and the other two were listed as stable, said police spokesman Adam Bernstein.

The maintenance workers and a manager at the apartment complex had gone to Smith’s apartment to do an inspection and start an eviction process, Bernstein said.

Smith began shooting at them without warning, Bernstein said. He was armed with an AK-47 assault rifle and a MAC 10, 9-mm handgun. “They were pretty much ambushed,” Bernstein said.

Police were called shortly before 5 p.m. yesterday to the apartments on Inverness where they found the body of a woman in a parking lot, Long said. They roped off the scene and, after a more than five-hour standoff, went into the apartment where they found Smith and another person dead. Police fired no shots.

The property is managed by S.L. Nusbaum Realty Company. The company has confirmed that some of the people who were killed or wounded were employees.

Michael R. Devine, a company vice president, spoke briefly with reporters at the site this morning. The employees who work on the site are considered part of the company's family, he said.

“We’re trying to get our family back together," said Devine, the company's vice president for multi-family housing. Grief counselors were being called to the complex, Devine said.

A fund is being established for the victims, Devine said, but the details still were being worked out this afternoon. “We’re working with the families,” Devine said. “They’ve had some devastating losses.”

William Halprin, a senior vice president with the real estate company, said company officials were at the complex all night.

"This is not something you learn in school and we’re just trying to figure out what to do today,” Halprin said.

Last night, one body was found on the ground outside the apartment building near the intersection of Inverness Road and Boggs Avenue. The other two bodies were found in the apartment where the gunman fled.

Within moments of the first of multiple calls to 911 dispatchers, police began to descend on the area and seal it off. Roadblocks were set up to close off several streets, and the city activated its reverse 911 phone system to call residents in the vicinity and alert them to the incident. Princess Anne High School also was placed under lock down.

At least one woman was taken to a hospital by ambulance while another victim was taken to Sentara Norfolk General Hospital by a helicopter that landed on a sports field behind Thalia Elementary School.

Shortly after 7 p.m., police began issuing orders by loudspeakers to the gunman to come out of the first floor apartment in the two-story, brick building where he was believed to have taken refuge. But there was no response.

Police then sent in a remote-controlled robot and pole-mounted cameras, often used for explosives investigations.

"Obviously, if we believe we have a shooter, we would rather send in the robot and have them shoot at that than send in police officers and have them start shooting at them," Bernstein said.

Police declared the scene secured at 10:23 p.m.yesterday. That allowed scores of people who had been blocked from reaching their homes, or told to remain inside their apartments behind locked doors, to again move freely.

Steve Stone, (757) 446-2309, steve.stone@pilotonline.com

 

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donvabeach

What would the woman have done if the gun was in the basement and the killer was outside her bedroom door? What happened if she was walking to her car and got gunned down, her gun wouldn't have helped her, unless she was carrying it, but a shotgun wouldn't be able to fit in her purse. What would happen if one of her kids or grandkids got ahold of her shotgun? What if the killer found her gun and that was the gun that was used to kill her!?

There isn't any argument that anyone can present that says having a gun is 100% the way to go. It just causes more problems than it solves. I'm all for having protection at home and even on your person when you are out and about. But having a gun as that protection just creates a whole mess of problems.

Chances of someone breaking into your home with the intent on killing you are slim, it's possible, but slim. Chances of a curious child or snooping relative coming across your gun and accidently shooting themselves or someone else, are a tad bit higher.

Am I the only person to pay

Am I the only person to pay attention in my American history classs in high school?

I think most people do not see the point here. The the reason that we were given the right to bear arms is to keep govt. from having the power to do as they wish. Remember.......WE THE PEOPLE are suppose to run the country!!!! Remember the British unfairly ruled and taxed us? What happened......we took our arms and said we are not going to take this. THAT is what our right to bear arms is about and why our founding fathers included that in our Constitution. I am not saying that govt. is bad, but we need a way to make sure that WE THE PEOPLE stay in control of our government.

Hopefully I will never NEED an AK-47, but I will always want to keep the right to own one if I ever see the need to own one.

To CS

I don't think I am wrong about THE ORIGINAL INTENT of the Second Amendment. Samuel Adams, a handgun owner who pressed for an amendment stating that the "Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms," Thomas Jefferson proposed that "no free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms," and Samuel Adams called for an amendment banning any law "to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
The Constitution was written as restrictions upon government. Government has power. People have rights.
The original intent of The Second Amendment was for "the people" to form militias in case of the need to rebel against a tyrannical government in the colonies. It makes no difference to me what Title 10 of federal law says about the militia of the United States. The argument is why it was put there in the first place. Why would the colonies "ask" permission from King George to shoot his solders? And yes, I know that I am a member of the militia.

I am the nra

Georges, the reason the pro-second amendment lobby is so strong is because individual Americans like me believe strongly enough about our rights to contribute money to organizations to petition the government on our behalf. That right is covered in the first amendment. If you believe so strongly in your position, instead of just complaining about it on an online forum you can always contribute to the Brady campaign or another lobby group. Incidentally, based on the reports coming from the arguments before the US Supreme Court on Tuesday, I think you're really going to hate the future. Looks pretty likely that they are going to reaffirm that the second amendment does, in fact, preserve the individual right to bear arms.

Re Ethan's Notes

Gotta agree with you there Ethan. I have never rented an apt. to someone of that disgraceful caliber before. I do however feel I am reasonably protected physically against such responses when & if the need to evict a tenant arises, however scantily clad, or heavily armed. I would prefer to use that robot with a few key modifications to do the evicting though. The robot is undeniably awesome. If it is auctioned, I will be bidding against you for ownership of that coveted mechanical creature.

Missing the point

I don’t know GeorgeS, I think your missing my point. Nut jobs like the man in the story shouldn’t have guns. I have no problem keeping those people from possessing them. My issue is how we are going to come up with an effective way to prevent this in a way that makes sense. i.e. a way that does not call for unilateral disarmament if for no other reason than it would be unrealistic to accomplish. Certain proposed legislation to the greater extent targets and affects the wrong people. The only way to accomplish some ideas of the anti-gun movement would be to turn society into George Orwell's '1984'.

I’m all for 'gun control', but don’t we have that already? What sort of control are you looking for and will it be effective at targeting the proper members of the populous? What would your barometer be in judging who is a nut job and who is simply an enthusiast/collector?

papabooey

Sorry that my 'rambling' gets to you. The Pilot has provided us this forum for opnions, and I intend to use it, with or without your consent.

If you would like to debate any point that I have made, I welcome it. But I won't stop expressing my opinions, despite your kind request.

jmo

Absolutism

What concerns me about gun advocates is their absolutism attitude of owning guns with no regard to any form of control or restrictions. They are a group of people with powerful money behind them that will fight to the death their right to absolutism's to own guns with no regard to any form of change. Our forefathers could have never had a clue what this country would turn into. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS! Your absolutism attitude scares everyone who wants tighter gun comtrol laws, and it seems to me YOU would want the same thing. But you don't! You can tell me about a shooting while calling 911, and I can tell you about the 5, 6, 7 year olds who have found a loaded gun in the house and got killed playing with it. Such a thing just happened here in Hampton Roads and no one is being held responsible. That's wrong! And PLEASE, the comment about guns don't kill people do is the most LAME excuse for your absolutism gun rights I have ever heard, and it is actually MORANIC!

Lots of emotion

Lots of emotion and hyperbole since last night, but I am still waiting for someone to tell me what law, current or proposed, would have prevented this.

Recommend a realistic solution and I will become a rabid anti-gunner.

jmo

Welcome to the militia

“The Second Ammendment CLEARLY states that the "Right to Bear Arms" is to "FORM A MILITIA." I think you’ll find, based on articles written about the case presented to the US Supreme Ct this past Tuesday, that you’re wrong with this interpretation. But let’s suppose you’re right. According to federal law (Title 10, Subtitle A, Part I, Chap. 13, § 311: Militia: Composition and Classes: (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. Bet you didn’t know you were a member of the militia, did you?

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