Former lesbian pair argue over parental rights

Posted to: News Virginia

RICHMOND

Virginia's Supreme Court on Thursday was the scene of the latest round of legal arguments in a battle over custody of a young girl by two women who jointly parented the child in a previous lesbian relationship.

Northern Virginia resident Lisa Miller, the biological mother of 6-year-old Isabella Miller-Jenkins, wants the state's high court to overturn an earlier ruling that affirmed Vermont court decisions that her former partner is entitled to parental rights.

"The whole issue here for me is that she is not the parent, plain and simple," Miller told reporters shortly after the Thursday morning hearing.

She and her former partner, Janet Jenkins, traveled from Virginia to Vermont in 2000 to be joined in a civil union ceremony after the state began permitting those arrangements. The couple returned to Virginia, and in 2002 Miller gave birth to a daughter conceived through artificial insemination. Later that year they moved to Vermont with the child; they separated in 2003.

Miller subsequently filed paperwork in a Vermont court to dissolve her civil union with Jenkins. Vermont courts have granted parental rights to Jenkins because she and Miller jointly raised the child while living in that state.

Attorneys for Miller say that Virginia law, which does not recognize civil unions, should take precedence in the case because both mother and child live here. They want the courts to cancel Jenkins' visitation rights.

"This so-called parental right in Vermont is based solely upon the Vermont civil union, which is not recognized in Virginia," said Mat Staver, chairman of Liberty Counsel, a group that specializes in conservative civil liberty issues.

Staver, who is also dean of the law school at Lynchburg's Liberty University, is one of Miller's lawyers.

While Virginia does not recognize civil unions - the legislature passed the Affirmation of Marriage Act in 2004 and voters two years later approved a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman - attorneys for Jenkins say that a federal statute trumps those laws.

"It's clear the Vermont court has jurisdiction, and it's up to the Vermont court to decide who should have custody and what the visitation arrangement should be," said ACLU of Virginia legal director Rebecca Glenberg, one of the lawyers representing Jenkins.

After the initial Vermont court ruling, Miller sought relief from Virginia courts.

A Frederick County Circuit Court judge in 2004 ruled that Miller is the sole parent of the child.

The Virginia Court of Appeals later ruled that the federal statute gives Vermont jurisdiction over the case, and that Virginia must honor decisions made by that state's courts.

When the Frederick County Circuit Court did not allow Jenkins to register the Vermont court order, the Virginia appellate court ordered the lower court to honor that order.

Miller's appeal of that appellate decision is now before the state Supreme Court.

"All of these questions were decided in the first appeal, and she doesn't get a chance to re-litigate them through the second appeal," Glenberg said. "Those decisions are the law of the case and have to be respected."

Miller, a Christian who now disavows homosexuality, said the legal wrangling and visitation arrangement are having a negative effect on her daughter. "It's done social and emotional harm," she said.

Julian Walker, (804) 687-1564, julian.walker@pilotonline.com

Oh please pappy

science claims to be the end all of everything. How many history books tell everything that happened or lead up to an event. If every single second was recorded, we wouldn't be able to pick up a Bible. And there is a lot of archilogical evidence, and documents from non christians in those times that tell of the happenings in the Bible, not every single one of them, but enough to prove that the Bible is factual and accurate. This is why it is of no use discussing things with you. You say I am wrong because I believe, but you are right because of whatever reason. And the other things are not different at all, The constitution is "interrupted" in so many different ways from what it really says. Like the separation of church and state. Literally it means that the government can't tell you what church to belong to, and that the church can not work for the government. Now it is not explained in full detail as to why, but in those days, the government chose the religion of their people and the priests spied on the people for the government.

There is a BIG difference

Scientific theories are based on facts and scientific laws and science has never claim to be infallible.

The Bible is based on oral stories handed down from generation to generation until someone finally wrote it down, hundreds and even thousands of years later. We all know what happens when a person whispers into another's ear and they pass this information on to 20 others. By the time it gets to the last person, the original information is completely lost.

Next, there is no proof to most stories in the Bible. For instance, King Harrod, if he had all those children killed, wouldn't Josephus or someone like him write about it.

Nowhere in history does it say that Caesar Augustus issued a decree for a census. No one was made to travel back to their place of birth. This was only added so that Jesus' birth could be made to fit the prophecy.

Hmmm

well Pappy,

Then I guess you don't believe anything at all, especially not scientific theories and such as they contain lots of probably and maybe, and we think, etc. And your example of the robbery scenario is exactly why "eye-witness" accounts are unreliable in courts these days. People react differently to different stimuli. Now granted we may both describe the person differently, and we may describe how he robbed the store differently, but it does not change the fact that the store was robbed. No one has said that God wrote the Bible, he didn't tell the writers what to write. The Bible is God-breathed, or God inspired. As for the slight differences in the details, imagine the difference in time with no written accounts, no newspapers and such, just the story handed down by word of mouth over the years. Some of the details may get skewed, but the fact remains the same.

What does the constitution say about separation of church and state, if you read it and take it literally, not add any assumptions into it. For that matter, the whole constitution.

I guess I do strongly disagree with...

I guess I do strongly disagree with with the use of words like "probably" and "may" when explaining how wrong I am.

I also have troubles with "different but equally true details". If you described a robber as the tall black man and I described the robber as a short white man, but the rest of our stories match, then there is a big problem. The cops know that money was stolen and they know when, because our stories matched, but they do not know who to look for because our stories differ. Now the one account has Judas buying the land and the other has the high priests buying the land, this makes one of the account wrong. To have any sort of real and honest discussion on the subject, you cannot add or subtract words and meanings to suit your belief. And when you are talking as though god is prefect and his word is perfect, then you cannot use word like "probably" and "may".

questions don't hurt

and you didn't show anything about it being in error. As far as me saying the discussion is over, is because of your attitude, which is you are right and I'm full ofdouble talk, or someone elses doubletalk. So there is no rational discussion with you. sorry.

Sorry if asking questions hurts!!!

brpster with a "degree in Biblical studies", I would think you could answer my questions with ease.

"The Bible is the inerrant word of God." Nope, it is full of errors. When god spoke to the writer(s) of Matthew, which of course was not Matthew, and then god spoke to the writer(s)of Acts, did he, god, forget who bought the field????

"but they are in agreement." Nope and I showed where they DO NOT agree.

Sorry, I know 'christians' and god hate to be questioned, but if there is a god and he made me, then he made me the way I am! A Doubting Thomas!

whatever pappy

I have read my Bible, and as a matter of fact have a degree in Biblical studies, which is why I used "study" material for my response to you. The Bible is the inerrant word of God. Each book was written at different times, by different people, but they are in agreement. So, this discussion with you is finished.

Nice try right back at ya, brpster!

I do realize why it took you so long to answer and why you could not use your own words. "The two accounts preserve different but equally true" is pure. It is nothing but double talk.

There are so many inconsistencies in the bible that I could spend the rest of my life pointing them out to you, but I wont. Mainly because I do not want to hear someone else's double talk. And also, if you have not read the bible then your god will get you for it.

Oh, just one more. Read these two chapters2 Kings 19 & Isaiah 37. Not just the single verse, but the whole chapter. Then tell me the bible is the literal and inerrant word of God.

Nice try

"The account of Judas' faith is not inconsistent with that sort forth by Matthew. The field was probably bought by the legally-minded prists in Judas' name. Amid the crazed inconsistencies of despair he may have laid claim to it in consequence, and in bitter irony made it the scene of suicide. The two accounts preserve different but equally true details from the rest of the shocking story, and the field won its sombre name on more than one count." (E.M. Blaiklock, "Acts of the Apostles", p. 53)

But brpster, What does Acts say?

But brpster, What does Acts say? Acts 1:18 Judas bought a field!!!

Matthew 27:5 Judas threw the money into the temple and left, then the priests bought the field & Acts 1:18 Judas bought a field and hanged himself.

That is just one of the many inconsistencies in the bible. Would you like to hear more?

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