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Growing numbers seeking permits for concealed handguns

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Christopher Corbett exercised one of his new rights soon after turning 21: He applied for a concealed-handgun permit.

He said his father, a police officer who has "seen the worst of the worst," was adamant.

"People should be able to protect themselves without worrying if the police are going to get here in time," Corbett said.

The number of applications for concealed-handgun permits is soaring across Virginia, including in Hampton Roads. People don't have to state a reason when they apply, so no one can say with certainty what's driving the trend.

But theories abound.

Some in the firearms industry say it's a response to the Virginia Tech shootings or the crime coverage of today's continuous news cycle. Some of the increases in recent years may have been the result of expiring permits sought after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. One gun shop owner even pointed to the uncertainty of the upcoming election.

Robert Marcus of Bob's Gun Shop in Norfolk said demand for the weekly concealed-carry instruction course there is so high that he added another class this week. The sessions take 35 people each.

Marcus said nearly 100 more have signed up for an online course that he began offering April 3.

Locally, Virginia Beach, Norfolk and Portsmouth all saw spikes in permit applications in 2007, but Suffolk saw the largest increase by percentage.

 

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The sprawling, historically rural but fast-growing city saw applications jump 58 percent last year, and the first three months of 2008 have it on pace for another record, thanks to applicants such as Corbett and Donald Ryan.

Ryan, 72, sought a permit this year for the first time. Health problems have put him in a wheelchair, and he and his wife live at the end of a long street.

"There's some really sick people out there," he said.

A former police evidence technician who served in the Navy, Ryan said he's been around firearms all his life.

Getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon comes with "an awesome responsibility," he said. Guns should be used only "if you are in fear of your life - period," he said. "Property crimes don't count."

This week he opened a letter from the sheriff's office letting him know that his application is almost through the system.

On the notice were the words of caution that Suffolk Sheriff Raleigh Isaacs Sr. includes for each applicant:

"I would like to remind you as to the careful handling of firearms under the watchful eye of children."

The number of concealed-carry permits in Virginia first soared in 1995, the year that the law was liberalized to give judges less discretion in denying permits. Applications jumped to 32,869 - nearly four times the 1994 total, according to numbers compiled by the Supreme Court of Virginia.

The statewide number, which includes applications for both new permits and renewals, spiked again in 2002. Permits are good for five years until they must be renewed, so some of those post-9/11 applicants likely contributed to the recent surge.

Statewide, applications jumped about 61 percent last year from 2006, to about 44,000, according to the Supreme Court figures. As of Thursday, the Virginia State Police database contained 152,267 active concealed-carry permits.

Applicants must be at least 21 and pass a criminal background check. They also have to answer a number of questions, including whether they are subject to a restraining order or are addicted to a controlled substance. They also must prove they have received safety training.

In Suffolk, 194 people applied in the first three months of 2008. Scott Brown was among the 93 seeking a new permit, not a renewal.

Brown, 52, applied in February, months after relocating from Colorado. He said he has owned guns since childhood.

"I've always felt that was one of the responsibilities of citizenship," Brown said. "Every once in a while, we've got these nut cases that just start shooting people. We would complicate the lives of criminals if we all carried guns."

Virginia Citizens Defense League President Philip Van Cleave said highly publicized shootings such as the one at Virginia Tech remind people that the government can't always protect them.

"The police can't be everywhere at once," he said. "If they can't be there, you've got a choice - e ither die or protect yourself. More and more people are looking at it that way."

 

Dave Forster, (757) 222-5563, dave.forster@pilotonline.com

Kristin Davis, (757) 222-5555, kristin.davis@pilotonline.com

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Here is how I see it...

Here is how I see it; we are all out on a boat. The crew goes aft for a meeting while we stay forward talking about what a great day we are going to have. A freak wave rolls over the aft end of the boat taking the captain and crew to sea. With engines running full ahead and auto-pilot on, we head out to sea. Several of us head for the bridge to try to save ourselves, georges61555 and twomiler2 jump in front of the door to the bridge blocking our way. twomiler2 yells you are not qualified to run this boat, stay back! georges61555 yells, yes, wait for the Coast Guard! They we realize we are missing eventually! We can do nothing to save ourselves!!!

Me? I would much rather die trying then to give up without a fight.

With over 2 million people in jail, is jail a deterrent? Obviously it is not. Then why do we waste all that expense if it is not deterring crime?

TWOMILER2

Sir, you're reaching. First the treaties between the US and The Indians has nothing to do with this argument. What I meant was that a restraining order or the law providing for it means nothing when a person has no respect for the law. Second, The Columbine and Paducah shootings were committed by students under the age of 18 where it is illegal for them to possess these weapons on school grounds. They did NOT acquire these guns legally as they weren't of legal age to "legally" acquire them. If VA. Tech had allowed for armed security guards on campus, rather than the proclaimed "gun free" zones, then perhaps he could have been stopped. But as usual, law enforcement are the last to arrive and are usually unable to prevent the crimes anyway. Also, the law itself wasn't followed in Cho's case as he was supposed to be committed, but the judicial system failed in his case. Anyone can "crack", even law enforcement officers. I guess it's alright with you and George to have someone be executed rather than die fighting. I am in the 21st century sir. Perhaps you and George should enter too, rather than being in denial.

I want to say thanks

To those of you who tried in vain to convince me the 2nd Amendment doesn't need some revision. Sorry, but it didn't work. As one writer stated, "you will never convince me that you know what you are talking about."
If you were concerned citizens YOU too would want better control and registration of just who can own a gun, but you don't. The childish phrase, "I want what I want when I want it", seems to apply.
This is my last comment for now, but I will not give up by fight to establish better gun control laws. That does not mean banning your right to own guns, but to establish a better system for those that do or want to.

All I can say is

All I can say is, if you guys want to give up your right, go ahead, but you're not going to take mine.

We can argue ad nauseam whether the glass is half full or half empty, but as long as you chose to ignore facts and make silly attempts to belittle pro-gun people, you will never convince me that you know what you are talking about.

Testing as a Requisite for gun ownership

Let's see.......... Columbine, Paducah, Planned Parenthood centers nationwide, Va. Tech, etc.......... I guess all shooters involved in these cases, were prime examples of sanity. They all bought or acquired their weapons legally. Please, don't give me the weak bunk about " if other students had been carrying concealed guns, they could have shot the gunman!" If others had been carrying, a shootout would have been likely, with even more fatalities. When law enforcement arrived, the possibility of "Johnnie Self Defense" being shot dead by said officers would have been high, as there wouldn't be any way to discern who the original gunman was. The days of Wild West Justice are long gone. Please, consider entering the 21st Century, on this matter.

Self Defense

Martial Arts & pepper spray are for Self Defense. Guns are only for the purpose of killing. Sure, one can target & skeet shoot but that's not the purpose of a gun. If this is actually about Self Defense, why have the gun concealed? If the gun is a deterrent, why not have it out in the open? Believe me, if some of our citizenry with certain attitudes & unreasonable fears obtain gun permits, especially concealed permits, the probability of unwarranted shootings will be mind boggling. Police officers make such mistakes, too often, in training & in real life. There have been times that people in combat have mistakenly fired at non -enemies. Why do you feel that Jane & John Doe could do any better?

Keith

The amendment is outdated, and should be revised to meet current day civilization. No I cannot give you a guarantee nor can you give me one.

That was quite the intelligent retort, twomiler2

That was quite the intelligent retort, twomiler2!! Why ignore the truth? Why run from the answer? You know we are right.

law or paper it's written on, means nothing

So, that's how the federal government was able to break all the treaties made with Native Americans.

TWOMILER2

Driving a car is a privilege sir. That is the purpose of a license. A license is permission from a jurisdiction to do something. The right to self defense is absolute. The real purpose of a car is for transportation, but it becomes a 4000 pound missile when someone is drunk or uses it to commit a crime. You, George, or anyone else cannot guarantee on the life that is most precious to you, that if all firearms were banned, that no one would ever have to fear of being shot by someone who doesn't care about what the ban says. Just like a restraining order, the law or the paper it is written means nothing.
George, there is nothing extremist about the right to defend ones self. A person who is determined to commit a crime against another person doesn't care what the law is. He or she knows better, but will act anyway.

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