Concerts to resume after fight at church club

bryans69809 wrote, "Club Relevant is doing the same thing Jesus did when He dined with the sinners and tax collectors." Well, yes, he did. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, does Club Relevant give a complete gospel presentation at each show? Of course not. That wouldn't be relevant. Unsaved scene kids laugh at Christians for how silly we are, yet we continue to do the same thing. We're giving them entertainment to enjoy on their trip to hell. How about Acts 2 and Club Relevant take a cue from 2 Timothy 4 and PREACH THE WORD.

As for Club Relevant not being Christian, they're right. Yet, they meet in a church. Does anyone but me see the silliness here? How about not inviting them to church (they're not getting the gospel anyway), and instead lets go out to the streets and share the gospel there.

I grew up in the Hampton Roads scene (well, what scene there was). I promoted shows at Cogans and other places in the early 2000s, so I have some history regarding shows and stupidity that ruins it for everyone. When I promoted shows in churches, the bands that played were Christian. Just as I, as a pastor, would never share my pulpit with an atheist, Muslim, Mormon, etc. Likewise, a

Also in response to a comment. Taking the "n" out of Killwhitneydead's name doesn't mean church sponsored racism. It just means that a grammatical error was made. That was a pretty wild and far fetched accusation to make. The band's name does in fact have an "n" in it. They seem to me, a band that uses a lot of tongue in cheek humor with the name and lyrics.

There will sometimes be bad seeds at shows, regardless of what style of music is playing. It's not like all violent criminals listen to only metal and hip-hop. Would it have been right to ban The Beatles from the US because of Charles Manson, or to ban Jody Foster from acting because of John Hinckley's attempt to assassinate Reagan? For once, let's place blame where it belongs.

My name is Travis, and I play in a local metal/ hardcore band called Download. I wasn't at the show, so the only thing I have to go on is what's on this page. It seems to me that the show had a major shortage of security. If you have a show with 200+ people, security is very important. I don't understand how someone get's kicked in the eye, and additional security wasn't there to diffuse the situation before it escalated further.

It is a shame that so many bands that are heavy will not be able to play at Club Relevant anymore due to the actions of 3 individuals. If the band was encouraging the behavior, then ban them. I don't know who the band was, but to leave out an entire genre of music, which is popular among the younger audience, is a big mistake. There are plenty of bands that discourage that behavior.

There were several comments about how the club was booking non christian bands. The club, as long as I've known about it, has always maintained that it is not a "christian" club. It is a place for youth to go see bands that they like without being exposed to drugs and alcohol regardless of musical style or content.

Also in response to a comment. Taking the "n" out of

Acts 2 Church supports what is being done here. Okay, maybe the choice of bands that particular night was not the best. Okay, it was a bad choice. Pastor Mike has maybe 15 or more bands through there every week. I remember years ago when the "Fire Escape" was at the Acts 2 Church location, and we got this band that was about as close to demonic as I had seen. The "Fire Escape" organizers were some of the best at screening bands, but this one sure fell through the proverbial crack. It happens.

I have also talked to many of the bands at Relevant where the members were Christian. They were not touted as Christian bands, but they had hearts for the Lord.

--Pastor Rob
Acts 2 Church

Relevant has been doing shows here for a while and there is rarely problems. The band was inciting the hard moshing and would not stop playing. This is the first time this is ever happened.

Also, Relevant does not claim to be a "Christian" club and does not claim to only book Christian bands. It's a place to have rock concerts so kids can come out and enjoy music in a clean environment, free from alcohol and the other activities that are normally associated with alcohol. Ministry is at the heart of the entire operation.

Acts 2 simply rents the place out seeing Relevant as having a good purpose.

I think what Mike meant by no more "hard core" bands is that he's just going to screen the bands a little better before booking them.

The kids that go to these shows aren't Christians. I talked with one kid a few years ago during one of the opening concerts and he professed to hating God. It should be expected that there will be some problems with kids like that. Club Relevant is doing the same thing Jesus did when He dined with the sinners and tax collectors. He was attacked for doing so, but He responded by saying that it's the sick who need healing, not the well. I really appreciate what they're doing.

That being said, I'm glad that Club Relevant is going to be a bit more discerning in who they book. They can still book heavy bands, punk, alternative, indie, electronic, etc. Maybe I'll actually enjoy some of the shows up there now.

I guess we aren't going to see Bad Religion or Sage Francis playing that venue anytime soon :-) Remember, no children under 18 should be allowed in or around a church event.

there was not one hip hop song played all night long so the right wing conservative nut cases (which has nothing to do with true Republicans such as myself) cannot blame it on the "gangsta" lifestyle. Kids are rowdy and out of control, no matter what they're listening to.

A few of their songs:

"She Didn't Look Like She Had a Disease"
"Nothing Says Party Like Her Head on a Stick"
"The Fine and Subtle Art of Deception"

and my personal favorite: "It Ain't Gonna Suck Itself."

Yup, very Christian.

jmo

"No more "hard-core" bands will be booked, he said. A band was playing that style - characterized by loud, fast songs with often-dark lyrics - when the incident happened."

Hey, Jesus didn't change His message just because a little violence broke out. If what you are promoting is good Jebus, why should you?

I guess the threat of a lawsuit made you "reevaluate" your doctrine...

Mike Osborn and Rob Stevenson. Feeding kids swill. You are a couple of real sickos.

And they say hip hop is dangerous. Sounds like children and youth of all types just need to calm down.

Without a doubt Jesus listens to HARDCORE DETH METAL! Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh! Haven't you read about the four horsemen of the Metalocalypse? Let's see, there's Nathan, Pickles, Toki, William, and Skwisgaar (oops, that's five, but the emergent church has never been too big on accuracy).

This whole thing is a perversion of the grandest order. If you ever wonder what the false "apostate" church looks like, this is a pretty good rendition. Those that defend it are ignorant of the topic about which they blather.

For all of you who are sick of the cool, hip, groovy, pierced, inked, attituded, self important, false church, you HAVE to check this out: Motivational posters for the emergent church

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/posters.htm

P.S. There is NOTHING casual about Christianity. It cost all of Jesus disciples their lives, not to mention Jesus. Got commitment?

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

There will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

remove the "n" and what do you have? church sponsored racisim.

I think video surveillance is a great idea. The next time someone is "kicked in the eye", I would like to see some footage of that. Sounds like a Jet Li movie.

If the Church is trying to reach out to youth, Cutting off the most popular music style associated with young people is not the way. And the label "hardcore" is very wide. And not all "hardcore" is filled with dark lyrics. Some music is actually very positive and promotes drug and alcohol free life styles; Also known as Straight edge Hardcore. If you close your minds and your doors, The Kids will find another, not so structured place to meet and listen to live music. Maybe one with lesser standards for drugs and alcohol. Don't let 3 bad seeds ruin the lot.'We got that PMA (positive mental attitude)"

I would guess that dancing, while praying, is all that will be allowed. (Yeah, sure)

-If the crowd break up was so peaceful why was there an officer on a PA threatening to "call in more units if you (the crowd) don't disperse?"
-Why did the gangsters (yes we know some of them) on the street act more peacefully when questioned by a police presence then the little twenty something bunch supposedly influenced by an alcohol/ drug/ sex free, Jesus discussed environment? Gangsters who weren't even there but walking to the 7-Eleven across the street minding their own business?
-Why were these kids in the street yelling "F... You," to people trying to get in and out of their own neighborhood?
-Why is a Christian club offering a battle of the bands prize that includes opening up for a band that promotes violence, sexual perversion, and non-Christian values? I checked their MySpace page, did you? Is promoting music to look cool more important than living the life you promote by being "Christian", a church and saying you believe in Jesus?
-Did Jesus work with the enemy as He went into the highways and byways?
-All statements of the situation are an eyewitness account.