Gilmore, beginning Senate bid, blasts Mark Warner on taxes

Posted to: Elections News Virginia

By Warren Fiske and Austin Wright

RICHMOND

Former Gov. Jim Gilmore began a statewide swing in his Republican bid for the U.S. Senate on Tuesday with pledges to oppose new taxes and support more domestic drilling for oil.

Gilmore labeled his Democratic opponent, former Gov. Mark Warner, a "limousine liberal" who is untrustworthy, big-spending and naive in foreign policy.

"Mark Warner is just like a hungry piranha," Gilmore said during a morning news conference in Richmond at the state Capitol. "There's just no end to his appetite for the people's taxes."

Gilmore made similar statements during news conferences at Norfolk International Airport and in Manassas.

Gilmore was governor from 1998 to 2002 and could not seek re-election because Virginia does not allow its chief executive to serve successive terms. Warner succeeded him, serving from 2002 to 2006. The two politicians are longtime rivals.

Gilmore, who eked out the Republican nomination at a state convention late last month, called his campaign "a crusade for the working families of Virginia."

"Today, working families, regular folks out there that I have always supported in my public career, they're in a lot of distress," he said. "They're concerned right now about whether they can make ends meet."

Gilmore said his top priority is reducing gas prices. He called for aggressive drilling in Alaska and off the Atlantic Coast. Warner opposes drilling in Alaska and says more exploration is needed before drilling is allowed off the Atlantic Coast. The Democrat has said Americans need to weaned off their dependence on oil.

Gilmore scolded Warner for repeatedly promising in his 2001 gubernatorial campaign not to raise taxes, then ushering in a $1.4 billion tax increase in 2004.

"Mark Warner is an elite, limousine liberal that has gone out there and said one thing to get elected... and then broke his word to the people of Virginia," Gilmore said.

Warner said one reason he raised taxes is because Gilmore had masked a massive shortfall in revenue at the end of his administration. Gilmore said Tuesday that Warner's charge is not true.

Gilmore called for making permanent 10-year federal tax cuts passed in 2001 and 2003. Warner supports repealing tax cuts on top incomes, which he has loosely defined as families earning more than $250,000 a year. Gilmore said the repeal would lead to fewer jobs.

The Republican opposed setting deadlines to begin troop withdrawal from Iraq. He scoffed at Warner for suggesting in a speech earlier this year that troops should start coming home in January.

"That's not an appropriate approach, and you would expect that from someone who has no foreign policy experience," said Gilmore, who was chairman of a civilian committee appointed by Congress in the late 1990s to study terrorism.

Warner has recently said that he would support a January withdrawal only if military leaders concurred and there was evidence that the Iraqi government was meeting goals for self-sufficiency.

Gilmore left open strong possibilities that he might support attacking Iran to prevent the nation from developing an atomic bomb.

"I think we have to have a national discussion right now with the American people about whether or not it is in the best interest for any or all of civilization for this country to have a nuclear weapon," he said, referring to Iran.

Kevin Hall, a spokesman for Warner, issued a written statement decrying the tone of Gil-more's remarks.

"Electing Mr. Gilmore will mean more of the negative, name-calling politics of the past, and Mr. Gilmore's policies will lead to bigger deficits, higher oil company profits, and will offer no real relief to working families," Hall said.

Warren Fiske, (804) 697-1565, warren.fiske@pilotonline.com

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What's a birdwalker?

Ira, I don't dispute any of your facts, only your conclusions.

Your hilarious Mr. Dillon

Here is how I will end this:

I have presented facts that are verifiable. You have presented crap. As I disprove your statements and the sources that you use, you ask more questions. In fact, the only area that matters in this conversation is Hampton Roads because that is where we all live and pay taxes(except me I'm 4 miles away). You can go to vbgov.com and do a search for 'tax rate' and it will answer all of your questions. It posts all the cities of Hampton Roads. It's you who needs to do some reading my friend.

Your arguments are nonsense. Sales tax? Who cares? Quite the birdwalker.

I am impressed at the fact that you are easily the first poster I have seen defend the taxes they pay in your area. It takes all types.

Jim Dillon

"Keith, Gilmore didn't try to eliminate the car tax, he just shifted the payment of it from local to state revenue. If you think that's some sort of heroic tax cut, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Regarding the democrats bankrupting the country, it's interesting to note that the largest budget deficits in our nation's history by far have come from the republican presidents, frequently with a republican congress. Republican voters are waaaay too easy on their elected republican officials."
Point taken Jim, about the republicans in federal office. In my view they don't stand for nothing anymore. However, I feel that democrats stand for less than nothing. Both parties are two wings on the same bird. As for Gilmore, he did try to eliminate the tax. ALL taxes are a shell game. That's how you win votes. Democrats tax the rich more and win votes and republicans tax everybody except the rich and win votes. Federal grants given to states still come from the same source...US. Also one dollar doesn't spend equally from state to state.

Not done yet

"...Yes you can. What's your tax rate? I'll help you. What city are you in? In VB the new lower tax rate is .89 and mine is .32 VB's is the lowest and it was 1.22. I know what the state rates are by percentage as I pay in both NC and VA. Are you saying mathmatics are ineffective?...."

OK, that's a good start. Now list the real property tax rate for every locality in VA and NC. Got that? OK, now list personal property rates for every locality in VA and NC. When you're done with that, list every other local tax imposed by every locality in VA and NC. After finishing that, list the state income tax rates, sales tax rates and every other state tax imposed by VA and NC. You're almost done - now list the total revenue raised by all localities and the 2 states from all these taxes. Finally, determine what the total income is of all residents of both states and calculate what percent of the total income goes toward the previously calculated state and local taxes. Now, compare the 2 states and let me know what you find. Or, you could just go to Tax Foundation dot org. They've already calculated all that stuff for all 50 states.

Yes you can

"Taxes
Submitted by Jim Dillon on Thu, 06/12/2008 at 1:22 pm.
Ira, you can't compare the TOTAL state AND local tax burden by looking at what ONE person pays for property tax in ONE locality. Surely you can see that."

Yes you can. What's your tax rate? I'll help you. What city are you in? In VB the new lower tax rate is .89 and mine is .32 VB's is the lowest and it was 1.22. I know what the state rates are by percentage as I pay in both NC and VA. Are you saying mathmatics are ineffective? The only way you pay less taxes than me is if you use a home with a lower value. Keep kidding yourself.

Taxes

Ira, you can't compare the TOTAL state AND local tax burden by looking at what ONE person pays for property tax in ONE locality. Surely you can see that.

Paul, I respect your opinion that you're over-taxed and/or that your locality doesn't give you quality services. Some localities do a better job than others, no doubt. Also, as I said earlier, it's not possible for every person to agree on what level of services a state or locality ought to provide. Higher taxes don't necessarily correlate to better services, which is one reason why I wouldn't want to live in a high tax state. Like I said, I think VA has it just about right - below average taxes and better than average services and quality of life.

Budget process

When Gilmore offered to eliminate the car tax, he had no idea what he was talking about. That was a huge amount of money that some worthwhile programs depended on. You can't lose that amount of money without having something to replace it with. Don't believe any candidate who says he can cut taxes. It can't be done without major repercussions. The best that anyone can do is to not raise them. But that can't be done indefinitely.

Gilmore???

Is he the best Virginia Rep's can offer the voters? If so Warner is a shoe in----expect the mud to fly with G in the race.

My point Jim...

...is that we shouldn't have to be paying more in taxes everytime a Liberal is elected as governor. The firefighter and police departments are really the only public servants who deserve better working conditions and pay. Not the teachers. I don't care about other states! I live and am raising my two elementary age children here in Norfolk. I care what happens here. The more money out of OUR pockets equates to less money in OUR economy which equates to fewer profitable companies, fewer employers/employees, fewer paychecks and fewer spenders and less disposable income. Oh yeah check out New Yorks tax rates...they are among the highest in the country. Does that mean they have all the best services? Norfolk sure isn't using it's reimbursed funds to improve our roads. Everyone benefits from the car tax reduction who owns a car. Kaine just tried to get more out of us at the DMV. See? More, more and more.

Jim Dillon

You need to put away your list, it's incorrect. My tax rate is .32

Now what is yours?

"they don't simply ask one or two people what they pay in property taxes. That wouldn't be a very accurate or comprehensive survey, would it?"

Regardless of what they do or don't do, they did it incorrectly. My property in another state you names is valued at 74K and I am taxed right over $200.00. Your numbers are not even remotely correct. However, your state income taxes are about 25% lower than mine but it doesn't really add up to anything. Did I mention that my car taxes are about the same as yours? Even commercial rated which in Va receives no "relief?"

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