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Norfolk council says city is losing millions in commercial taxes

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NORFOLK

A consultant told the City Council on Tuesday that commercial properties in the city are underassessed by as much as 30 percent, which means the city has lost millions of dollars in real estate tax revenue, council members said.

To fix the problem, the city needs to hire more assessors and provide better technology, the consultant said. City officials said that is already being done.

City Assessor Deborah Bunn, who was hired in January, was recently authorized to hire four new commercial real estate assessors.

"That's a good start," said Richard R. Almy, of Almy, Gloudemans, Jacobs and Denne, a Phoenix firm hired by the city to review commercial real estate assessments.

Commercial assessments became a hot topic more than a year ago when the Norfolk Tea Party 2, a watchdog group that has pushed for lower taxes, complained of discrepancies between assessments for some downtown office buildings and the prices they fetched when sold.

Almy said his group looked at sales versus assessments and found problems as well.

"The level of assessment was 70 to 80 percent" of what it should be, he said.

His company also studied the Virginia Beach assessor's office last year. He said that, although he found some problems at the Beach, commercial real estate assessments there were closer to market value.

"The reason for that is simple," he said. "Virginia Beach had more people" than Norfolk working in the assessor's office.

Brian Smith, who heads the Norfolk Tea Party 2, said the report "confirms what we've been saying all along, that home-owners have been carrying an unfair burden."

Commercial real estate provides a small percentage of the estimated $203 million in real estate taxes the city will collect in the fiscal year that begins on July 1. Bunn said figures on how much commercial real estate will generate weren't immediately available.

"It's unfortunate we've lost the revenue we could have gotten the last few years from commercial real estate," Councilman W. Randy Wright said. "The good thing is that we're fixing the problem."

Almy said computing assessments for commercial properties is more difficult than for residential, which is based on sales. Many commercial assessments are based on business income, and for that, the city must rely on businesses to honestly report income data.

Mayor Paul Fraim said the city has asked Attorney General Bob McDonnell whether it can require businesses to turn over federal tax return information.

Commissioner of the Revenue Sharon M. McDonald has also asked McDonnell if she can turn over to the city sales data reported to her office by businesses.

Almy made 18 recommendations for improving the assessment process. Fraim asked Bunn to report back to the council once the recommendations have been implemented.

Harry Minium, (757) 446-2371, harry.minium@pilotonline.com



Shouldn't be 100%

By having the assessed value at say 80% it allows for a slow down in the market, like what is happening now. Also, if every property was assessed at 100% of the market value, you would everyone complaining and asking for a reassessment adding to the workload of the understaffed assessors office. It is nice to see they hired a "local" company to investigate. I mean Phoenix is just a quick 4 hour flight from here. I am sure members of city council had to spend a week or two out there to meet with the consultants.

Good one

Did you ever hear the joke about Norfolk not allowing home businesses? For years they forced small business out of their homes to increase commercial rentals.

another way to say it

Business owners are saving millions to spur the flailing economy. That this council sees this as a bad thing shows that they think the money would be better used for more government programs, money to parents for children's grades, building projects and paid vacation time for the manager than to stay with the businesses that pay our salaries and spur our economy.

Overpaying?

Home owners overpaying?

Raise commercial property until they are overpaying too.

One day

One day maybe we can bring back "For the people and by the people" because it's always been for the "government and by the government"
How long will we take it?

WASN'T MS BUNN AT THE TEA PARTY PRESENTATION...

this spring where the primary focus was on underassessed commercial real estate? Why pay attention to the lowly citizenry when a high-priced consultant is available?

I guess this move confirms what has been suspected all along - that property tax revenue emphasis is heavily weighted on the residental side.

Everyone please light a candle for me on July 1, when I go before the assessment review board. I had an independent appraisal done, and the reassessment came in above that value. I'll also be requesting retroactive tax relief since the original assessment didn't change from last year.

one property to start with

The Town Point Center at 150 Boush has been shamelessly underassessed for years now... assessment has even been decreased a few times. May as well start the reassessment there, at the law offices of Fraim and Fiorella.

Watch

The problem is that many of these buildings are difficult to keep from a financial standpoint. Now the city will get more money, but the building owner will charge more and that will result in even more vacancies.

I hope they use the consultants as shields when my army walks across the Harbour.

Norfolk & Portsmouth

2 cities balanced on a precarious knife edge by politicians who steal HUD money, gather in back rooms to solidify development and line there own pockets! I guess it will all come to fruition when the riots start won't it! These two "cities" have been derailed towards becoming the penultimate 3rd world urban cesspools!

Who's to blame?

We keep hearing of blatant unethical and immoral activity in Norfolk by their leaders. People of Norfolk, you have no one to blame but yourselves for voting these corrupt individuals into office time and time again.

Then again, I don't expect the people that vote these morally decrepit people into office could read this article, much less my post...

UNDERASSESSED BY AS MUCH AS 30%

The city of Norfolk has a lot of comerical properties..Down town alone..I mean come on!!!30% UNDERASSESSED REAL ESTATE TAXES NOT COLLECTED...THATS a lot of money people..Blaming it on being understaff is just an excuse..Your not understaff to keep raising my homes real estate value up at least 200% over the last 10 years..I could live off the money you did not collect..Hell me and thirty of my frends could have...HAY GREAT JOB NORFOLK CITY REAL ESTATE ASSESSORS KEEP IT UP :/

we are idiots as long as we remain in norfolk.

What ever $$ increases the city hopes to collect will be absorbed by the new hires and expenses suggested by this arizona mouth piece. I and many commercial establishments are against the wall at is is with this new economy andfor the city to levy more %%%$$$ on us is dumb. We have no alternative but to re-locate to the beach where they have recently recinded the business taxes, or we can relocate to p-town and recieve enpowerment funds/grants to re-establish our barely surviving Norfolk business. It's a wonder the city council isn't taxing N.C. for importing all the smoke into dwntwn Norfolk! Where's the smoke monitor when you need one?

OMG!!!

...do you mean to say that I've had the wool pulled over my eyes all this time? Tax incentives and deferments to all the commercial developments downtown...aren't we talking millions here? And to think that had this nipped in the bud by paying taxes on our over assessed and over taxed personal property! Now I feel bad...and compeled to insist that the city raise my PP tax once again to address this "newest revelation"...and please..if you will...reassess my little cape cod for double it's current value....the guilt is killing me!...oh BTW...did we pay thousands for this consultant??? I could have told you all of this for a large pizza...and a six pack.

Taxes going up? How odd......

We are being taxed to DEATH in America. Between supporting the welfare state and illegal aliens, we can't afford to support bigger city government. They spend money like drunken fools and keep raising taxes to pay for their mistakes and profligate behavior. Vote these idiots out of office!!!!!11

RE: Commercial base

"One would like to hope that maybe raising commercial taxes to an appropriate rate might price out some of the predatory lenders, pawn shops, discounted merchandise and dollar stores, and the endless sea of bar/restaurants to allow more established retail with deeper pockets to finally emerge."

Personally I think there is a need for all of them, especially with the economy as it is. The City will not allow any more thrift stores and according to Randy Wright "they are nothing but glorified thrift stores".
That alone should tell you that Wright doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Thrift stores are busier then most shopes in Norfolk.

Commercial base

One would like to hope that maybe raising commercial taxes to an appropriate rate might price out some of the predatory lenders, pawn shops, discounted merchandise and dollar stores, and the endless sea of bar/restaurants to allow more established retail with deeper pockets to finally emerge.

Fixing the problem

"It's unfortunate we've lost the revenue we could have gotten the last few years from commercial real estate," Councilman W. Randy Wright said. "The good thing is that we're fixing the problem."

Fixing the problem should be stop spending on over-building project. The city of Norfolk has long thought we are all idiots.

Man............

These people must be drug tested at once they really think we are stupid. We can see your plan a mile away. Raises taxes and increase the size of govt at the same time. Vote the hacks OUT Geeze!!!

Folly!

Nothing but a slight of hand by city council. Yes, a consultant will tell you exactly what you want to hear. Raising city assessments on business taxes will achieve three goals: (1) Force business owners to reduce payroll, (2) Pass on the cost to consumers, or (3) Reduce hiring.
All three choices make the homeowner suffer. The best way for council to balance the budget is to cut spending.

The plan: hire a couple assessors...lose a bunch of jobs

How will companies budget a sudden 30% increase in their taxes? Usually the only place with that much flexibility is cutting the payroll.

Back room

"To fix the problem, the city needs to hire more assessors and provide better technology, the consultant said. City officials said that is already being done".

Sounds like a "good ole boy" deal is brewing.

" a consultant"

A consultant will tell you exactly what you want to hear.

WOW!!!

Didn't take long to pull the article about the bonds for the senators hotel in Portsmouth did it? Free press???

Meanwhile, Norfolk continues its money drunk ways of trying to pay for its turn at playing developer at the expense of taxpayers. yawn

Now The Rubber Meets The Road

It will be interesting to see how the politicians handle this situation. First, they'll act like they had no idea this was the case. But now that it has been reported, they'll have to really scurry and double talk as they figure out how to avoid making they big-money contributors pay their fair share of Norfolk's tax burden - as if that will ever happen.


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