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Plan would create commission for Beach's budget process

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VIRGINIA BEACH

The municipal budget is a $1.76 billion action plan, explained in excruciating detail over hundreds of pages, each crammed with numbers.

There are two or three public hearings, but one happens the same night the City Council adopts the plan, leaving little time for members to think about any concerns raised.

"The process is flawed and dysfunctional," Councilman Bob Dyer said. "I don't think there's enough sets of eyes on it. We don't have enough look time on it."

A new plan on the council docket could change that.

Dyer and Councilwoman Rosemary Wilson have proposed a commission to study how budgets are created, analyzed and voted on in Virginia Beach. The council may discuss the idea Tuesday.

"It's oversight," Dyer said. "It gives people the impression someone's minding the store."

The panel, which could start meeting this fall, would be an extension of two task forces formed last year to critique how the Beach collects and spends public money.

The commission, according to a draft of the plan, would include one member from the Council of Civic Organizations, one representative each from the business and military communities, and five financial experts, including a certified public accountant.

The panel would work with the council and City Manager Jim Spore to implement the task force recommendations and make suggestions on the budget process.

"We know we have tough economic times," Wilson said. "We want to make sure we take our tax dollars seriously."

Catheryn Whitesell, the city's budget director, said supporting the would-be commission's data requests, like the task force before it, would use a significant amount of staff time.

Several council members have talked about "year-round budgeting," but Whitesell said the city really does that now.

Once a new budget starts July 1, staffers spend the summer reviewing year-end numbers and preparing for a November presentation to council forecasting the city's finances for the next five years.

Department budgets are compiled later in the year and then rolled into a proposed budget over the winter. The draft is released to the public - and the council - at the end of March. The council then makes its changes and approves it in May.

Adding more layers of process is not always good, Spore told council members at a meeting last month.

"You can get to the point where you spend too much time on your budget," Spore said. "The budget isn't the most important thing you do."

Dyer and Wilson plan to follow the budget commission proposal with a strategic plan initiative. Although the idea is short on details now, both say they'll roll out the concept in August. They paint the plan as a business model that links the budget to the city's master plan and economic development strategies.

Wilson called it a vision statement for Virginia Beach.

"We have something called a strategic plan, but it's probably not the type of strategic plan we really need to have," she said. "This is really going to pull all the different areas together."

Richard Quinn, (757) 222-5119, richard.quinn@pilotonline.com

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I guess it does. Your

I guess it does. Your perspective and mine are 180 degrees out of sync. That's for sure.

Well, it all depends upon

Well, it all depends upon your perspective.

Well Mr. Barrett, you could

Well Mr. Barrett, you could have fooled me. If some of the past spending practices of VB city council have been prudent and fiscally responsible, then I would hate to see what would happen if they were to go full tilt.

Frankly, in regard to your

Frankly, in regard to your comment that..."All that I or any citizen of Virginia Beach would ask is that city council spend tax money collected from me in an efficient and prudent manner and exercise some fiscal responsibility..." I find myself to be in agreement with you.

Well, at this point, I have

Well, at this point, I have not seen the email you speak of and have no proof or otherwise that it exists, so I will leave it at that. I have no formal or otherwise association with the VBTA, or John Moss. I will admit that I have not been happy with my representative (Jim Wood) on city council. However he is not up for re-election. All that I or any citizen of Virginia Beach would ask is that city council spend tax money collected from me in an efficient and prudent manner and exercise some fiscal responsibility. With that said, the only member I think deserves to keep their seat on council is Reba McClanan.

Well Keith, I have that in

Well Keith, I have that in writing, and of course none of the VBTA folks who received the same e-mail have issued a denial herein, even when I have given them the opportunity to do so. Why not? We can only assume that they know I and others have it in writing, and to deny it would only open them to further derision. So they attempt to try to simply kick back at me and others who say hey, wait a minute, a policy to fire every blue collar worker in the city and replace them with contractors is absurd on its face. Can you imagine how responsive Halliburton would be to your complaint that the ditch in front of your house needed to be cleaned out? My point was simply that the city does use contract labor for many jobs, and if that is the most efficient and effective way to get quality work at the lowest price, they have gone for that alternative for many tasks. The criticism I have leveled at John Moss and the VBTA, those who have initiated the RENO campaign, is that it is heavy handed and reveals a federal government technique bias.

What full exchange? The

What full exchange? The previous posts have been you trashing the VBTA, The DEW Team or The Dont DEW it team, and Reid Greenmum. I haven't found anything that said that Moss wanted to fire all VB govt. employees, close the recreation centers, and replace them with contractors. Only you said that. However, contractors don't have the job security that govt. workers have. God forbid a govie get laid off. The end of civilization as we know it!

Hey Mike Barrett,....

When was the last time you heard somebody say...."Anything private business can do; the government can do better"?

Just curious.

Well Keith, perhaps you

Well Keith, perhaps you should read the full exchange before you offer your opinion. I pose no objection to contract employees; just the comment by John Moss's sycophant that all blue collar city workers should be fired and replaced by contractors. Are you defending that statement? Do you believe it would be wise public policy to implement that without any analysis or review of the task at hand? Do you believe that every blue collar employee deserves to be fired? That is what was advocated, and I find that to be repulsive on its face. As an employee of a private company, I certainly know and appreciate the value of private enterprise; that said, I also appreciate and value public employees as well. There are good and bad performers on both sides of that equation. But to advocate as public policy that all city blue collar employees should be replaced with contractors is as irresponsible as it is repulsive.

Mike states "Well, I'm glad

Mike states "Well, I'm glad you had a good laugh. Fact is, I find most retired federal bureaucrats have that same sense of entitlement about their own opinion; that is, anyone who disagrees with them is either mentally impaired or incapable of understanding their superior experience."
Gee, I have heard that same attitude expressed by Mr. Barrett in ones opinion of the MPO or the HR entities. The unelected bureaucrats who think they know best for Tidewater and traffic congestion. So, no one is mentally impaired or incapable of understanding as long as Mr. Barrett agrees with with the writers opinion. I see! As for contractors versus government workers, remember the airlines. All that changed there was a salary increase for the same screener to be a federal employee vice the contractor he/she already was. To quote former rep. Tom Daschle, D-SD, "You have to federalize in order to professionalize". What rubbish!

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