SUFFOLK
About 10 months after the first of them moved in, the people of Remington Park still are waiting for a technological wonder that has done so much to bring people closer.
Not the Internet. A phone line.
The people in the northern Suffolk development - where the condominiums have names such as The Venetian, The Bellagio and The Riviera - are stuck in a telecommunications limbo that a state regulator said he's never seen before.
An impasse between developer L.M. Sandler & Sons and Verizon has left the homeowners without ground connections for phone, Internet or cable TV service. A couple people have pleaded for help from the city, and several have posted their frustrations on an online community message board.
"It's just ridiculous," said
Dottie Moore, who moved in last September. "I didn't imagine that I wouldn't be able to get a house phone for this long of a time."
Prospective homebuyers are warned about the missing service before they sign. But several said they were led to believe the situation would be resolved long before now.
"We'll ask them, and they'll say we're getting it settled," said Miriam Aceves, who moved in Feb. 14.
The developer has arranged for payments to compensate residents for cell phone service and the wireless cards they must use to get on the Internet.
They also will pay for the disconnection fees for the satellite dishes that some opted to use while they await cable.
Mike Doran got a $150 check on Thursday to compensate him for the next three months. He said it's not enough.
The wireless Internet service is also unreliable, and when he wants better coverage on his cell phone, he steps outside, he said. When he does, if he looks to his left he can see the yellow phone lines sticking out of the siding on his home, waiting to be connected.
For others, making do with cell phones and wireless Internet cards is more than an inconvenience. Anna Savage said she does not have a land line to call 911 if she needs to. She and her husband live with her father, who has diabetes and is on disability.
"We don't get much of a signal sometimes," said Teddy Savage, Anna's husband. "If something happens to him, we want to make sure we're able to communicate."
In the event that someone dials 911 but can't talk, a land line will provide the home's address on the city's emergency communication system, city spokeswoman Debbie George said.
A call from a cell phone will provide only the lat itude and longitude of the cell phone tower being used, she said.
Not every resident is complaining. Wade Tooley, who moved in last weekend, said his wireless card works well, and he hasn't had a land-line phone for years.
"We had every opportunity to not buy the house," he said.
The city is looking into what it can do, Mayor Linda Johnson said.
"It's an issue I don't think we've ever dealt with before," she said.
The State Corporation Commission also is investigating.
"In general, people in the United States have a right to telephone service," said Steve Bradley, deputy director of communications for the SCC.
Bradley said the case is the first of its kind that he could recall. "We'll be taking that up urgently."
Bradley said he understands that Verizon, as the local incumbent telephone service provider, is required to serve the development. But first Verizon needs permission to dig on the land, which it hasn't received from L.M. Sandler & Sons because Verizon hasn't agreed to certain conditions.
Raymond Gottlieb, a spokesman for L.M. Sandler & Sons, said the developer wanted to provide telecommun ication services through arrangements with Charter Communications and Verizon. Charter would provide cable and Internet, and Verizon would provide phone service.
The deal would benefit the residents, Gottlieb said, because L.M. Sandler & Sons tries to negotiate on behalf of its homeowners to get them services for at least a 10 percent discount.
Verizon didn't see it that way.
The company wanted the freedom to lay the groundwork for all of its services, including Internet. Lee Gierczynski, a Verizon spokesman, said the developer's demands limits the residents' options.
"The developer wants to restrict Verizon's ability to provide services beyond telephone service," Gierczynski said. "That's not something Verizon would agree to."
Gottlieb said Charter couldn't bring phone service to Remington Park because it didn't offer it in that area. But that might be changing. He said the company told him five days ago that it now had that capability.
Gottlieb said he wasn't aware of any residents complaining about poor cell phone coverage.
"To my knowledge, there is good coverage from at least one provider," he said.
Bradley, the SCC official, said he and his staff will research the law to help them figure out what to do.
"People have a right to telephone service, and it appears that, at the moment, there's a logjam of events that's preventing that from happening," he said.
Dave Forster, (757) 222-5563, dave.forster@pilotonline.com







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Who's Protected Here?!
The Sword of Damocles hangs above L.M. Sandler---I will make sure it falls.
We cannot say that they have violated FCC laws regarding competitive environments, but we all know that's where this is headed. The FCC is doing nothing. The SCC is doing nothing. WHY?!
L.M. Sandler owns this land, but when they decided to allow 184 families to live on it, they took on the responsibility of doing what is right for 184 American Families. That huge responsibility is being met with a reckless attitude that continues to endanger the families that put our trust in this company.
We ask again---Please Help Us SCC. Please Help Us FCC. Anyone?
I don't want to move.
This is crazy my husband and I are moving at the end of the month to Remington Park. The real estate agent for the builder promised us back in April that this would all be taken care of before we close this month. I just recently asked them again when I went to see the house and this time she was like I don't know. Now I know they were lying and I don't want to move now. This is not fair and I believe they are dragging their feet.
Do something good for Hampton Road
Sandler show how good you are to the Hampton Roads area by dropping all communication agreements on the area. That is what a good “philanthropist” will do
This need to stop
The poor people of Remington are with no telecommuncation service because the developer want to take advantage of hard working people.
THIS NEED TO STOP
What this guy is doing is profiting from these contracts. He doesn’t want to give access to the property to Verizon because that can ruin the DEAL he got with Charter Com. The guy from Sandler Raymond Gottlieb is saying the people from Remington will be receiving a 10% discount when the communication agreement is on place. He forget to mention how much COMPENSATION they will receive from managing the contract under different created companies like the "LIM" "CIM" "RIM" for a term of 25 to 75 years. “NICE ANUITY”. At the end of the day the consumer pay more and also have to pay for services he or she will not need or want. The developer is abusing his authority under declarant control to enter in this one sided contract. Developer controlled Master HOA entering in a contract with the developer created infrastructure management and receiving compensation from the contract can I say SWEETHEART D
Ironic!
Poor Remington Park folks--bet they can't even get on-line to comment. Cheers, MGM
False
It is easy to run a cable line that has an actual hard wiring capability piggy backed to it for telephone all on one cable. Even if this were not an option it is just as simple, albeit a bit more costly to rn the seperate cable together. This would enable cable as well as traditional providers access to the homes. As long as the builder wired cable and phone in the structures before hand. The additional cost of doing this on every home is really low.
Something stinks here. Verizon and Charter use the same exact lines. Even if the question is fiber optics it would be easy to reconcile.
No Cox in Suffolk
To the post about Cox...these residents and every other resident in the city of Suffolk could only wish for Cox. We have Charter out here and to say that their service is even remotely reliable is a joke! My high speed is down more than it is up and our digital cable often cuts in and out.
Drive through the city and note all the dishes on houses...you will know why! Even worse, our city allows this company to stay here...you know they are lining someone's pockets somewhere!
This is NOT Verizon's Fault This is greed by Sandler & Sons
Every Developer knows the deal when they Break ground for a new development of any kind. You alert the local carriers that have that City or County cable rights AND the phone carrier that is required by the SCC to deliver phone service in that area. The developer can also alert other carriers that have service in the area. It usually takes about 6 to 9 months of lead time and the various carriers will examine the development plans and then will arrange with their own contractors to lay the various cables just like the other utilities. Unfortunately, the scheduling of the work doesn't work well some of the developer's schedules and the utilities want to come back and tear up freshly laid and expensive sod that they will not recover with sod. So then you have a pissing match between the developer and the utility. Then you have Sandler and Sons who want to get a special rate and they forget that they are
Time for the City to jump in
The city should apply what pressure it can in this situation. Why not ask Cox to lay cable and service those home with their phone service? This is all about greed and is a safety issue.The developer and Verizon look bad here and the residents seem powerless. It's a shame
Monopoly is good for residents???
I don't see how eliminating competition for Internet service is good for residents. The developer is just looking for a kickback for exclusive access. Is that even legal?