Forget about stocking up on rolls of quarters. It's going to take wads of cash to get around the region under plans now being considered by state leaders.
Lawmakers have been vague about what those mega-tolls would look like, but legislation filed by one senior Republican delegate last month offers a jarring look into the not-so-distant future. Commuters who have tuned out the debate in Richmond had better listen up. This is what's coming:
- A $2 one-way toll on the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel and the Monitor-Merrimac Memorial Bridge-Tunnel. Between 7 a.m. and 9 a.m. and again from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m., tolls could be $3. In other words, folks who have to schlep between the Peninsula and Southside during rush hour would pay $1,500 a year.
- Suburbanites in Chesapeake would pay between $1 and $2 to traverse the High Rise Bridge on Interstate 64, equivalent to $500 to $1,000 a year.
- New tolls could be added to existing HOV lanes, allowing single-occupancy vehicles to zip around traffic jams, but for a price of $500 to $1,000 a year.
- Private companies have already submitted proposals to the Virginia Department of Transportation offering to construct a new U.S. 460 with tolls ranging from $3.85 to $13 for a one-way trip between Suffolk and Petersburg.
- VDOT is now seeking similar bids to expand the Midtown Tunnel. Although it's not yet clear how high the tolls will be, toll plazas will be erected at the Downtown Tunnel as well to pay for the improvements.
As gruesome as those numbers are, they'll only sour with age. Any project funded through a long-term private lease will permit the corporation operating the road to increase the tolls to keep up with inflation.
The mark-up over several decades could be substantial. For example, the HRBT was paid off through traditional government-imposed tolls that held steady at $1.25 between 1957 and 1976. If the tunnels had been constructed as a concession project, the tolls could have risen to $9.64 this year if tied to the consumer price index. If the tunnels had been leased for a century, commuters would be only halfway through paying for the project.
None of this is meant to suggest that drivers in Hampton Roads can avoid tolls. The region allowed infrastructure needs to go wanting too long. Residents can either pay a mix of taxes and tolls, or they can avoid most taxes and get ambushed at toll plazas that will spring up on every major highway in the region. There's no pain-free solution, just a different way to manage it.






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From here to NY
from here to NY tolls about $38.00, and about $31.00 coming back.
elsie
One way toll. Similar to New York City, the toll is about $7 to get in, but it is free to leave.
Note about Toll Fares
"A $2 one-way toll on the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel and the Monitor-Merrimac Memorial Bridge-Tunnel. Between 7 a.m. and 9 a.m. and again from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m., tolls could be $3. In other words, folks who have to schlep between the Peninsula and Southside during rush hour would pay $1,500 a year."
Note the ONE-WAY TOLL in the article. A $2 one way toll would be $4 round trip x 5 x 52=1040. A $3 one way toll would be $6 round trip x 5 x 52=1560. Did you really think they'd let us get away with paying one flat round trip toll free?
getting re-elected
is all ANY of them care about. The Republican word for taxes is fees and cuts, but I still prefer tolls to taxes. Toll, you pay for what you use, if I don't use those roads then I won't have to pay the toll.
Tolls vs Taxes
Tolls will require a new infrastructure and approximately 35% of the collected money will go toward supporting this "new government". All residents will end up paying the inflated toll (tax) in one way or another. The simplest and most economical method is the fuel tax.
Our representative don't have to the stomach for this. Instead they would rather we pay inflated prices so that they can declare that they didn't raise taxes and get reelected. Pityful.
But..you do have to get home again!
3 x 5 x 52 = 780
New math
A one way toll of $3 a day for a 5 day work week is $780 a year (no vacations/ holidays) - not $1500 a year. If 460 was improved to interstate conditions and the speed was increased accordingly, it would alleviate a lot of truck traffic and vacation traffic to Richmond and to 95. The tolls will help to reduce traffic by encouraging people to travel at off-peak times and to carpool.
Toll Roads
Indiana sold their toll road to investors for a nice upfront wad of cash. Now tolls have more than doubled and no new cash is flowing into Indianas coffers. The new toll cash is all heading out of our country.
No toll booths required
Please see www.texas121.org for how a modern toll road can be operated with no toll booths.
Those with electronic transponders for EZ Pass or similar systems pay a discounted fees, the rest are billed by photographing, electronically, their license plates.
Two people
Take two people. One drives 20 miles a day and cross several toll booths. Another drives 20 miles a day but doesn't cross any. Which one creates more load on the road? Why does the first person carry far more of the tax load?
Tolls
If they're going to do this, they should have the system that Dubai, UAE has in place on its main artery road, Sheikh Zayyed. It's completely electronic with cameras and scanners. There is no need for stopping to hand money to a booth operator. The sticker chip is placed on the windshield and as you pass under the toll, it scans you. If you use the toll without the required toll tag, you get a bill in the mail for the violation. When you are low on toll fare, an SMS is sent to your cell phone informing you to recharge your account.
But I bet VA will do it the hard way...
Two evils
With government run programs, you get inefficiency and the expenses that go along with it. With corporate run programs, you get cost overruns and hidden profiteering unless their expenses and billings are tightly watched and controlled by an outside agency. Two evils. And here we sit with still bad roads, traffic getting worse and worse and no solutions in sight. It looks to me like the people of Hampton Roads are going to get screwed one way or another.
Look at it this way
I use to live on the Eastern Shore and traveled the CBBT every day to Norfolk. Those tolls are a lot more than the $1 and $2 mentioned here. It's the costs of living where you do and the mere fact that our roads and transportation needs are not sitting idle, they need repairs now, not another decade from now.
Irony
It is ironic that on the same day that this editorial appeared in the V-P, a short article appeared in the Parade Magazine titled, "For Sale: U.S. Roads." The article deals with the trend toward private ownership of our roads, and states, "To turn a profit, investors likely will have to raise tolls. A round trip on the Dulles Greenway soon may cost $10, and the Virginia State Legislature voted to require more scrutiny of the company that owns it. Rep. Peter DeFazio (D., Ore), a member of the House Transportation Committee says the government is shirking its responsibility and allowing the roads to further deteriorate. 'Insisting that private leasing initiatives can fix the problem is total denial of reality,' he adds, 'and a disservice to the future of our economy.' "
It troubles me that the Commonwealth's budget has doubled in a decade, but funding for road construction/improvements remains unresolved.
RE: More Sales Tax?
"Tolls hurt poor/middle income people alot more than those well off, as does the price of food, gas and everything else while wages stay relatively the same."
Won't more taxes hurt more poor/middle income people? Take into consideration many poor/middle income don't travel some of these toll roads at all, why should they have to pay for them?
More Sales Tax?
Everyone uses the transportation network built by our brothers and sisters. From sidewalks to bike paths to shoulders to roads, we are all dependent on it.
We as a Nation have got to start paying our debts and making it work with the resources that we have. Taxes are the only way to raise money to operate such a diverse society.
Our infrastructure is falling apart and as often is the case nothing will be done until its to late and then becomes an expensive emergency.
Our tax system is not working for the middle American that keeps this train going, it is controlled by the 1%. Tolls hurt poor/middle income people alot more than those well off, as does the price of food, gas and everything else while wages stay relatively the same.
The MONEY CHANGERS are at it again!!!
the funny thing is
If everyone had just voted for a 1 cent regional sales tax increase, all these projects would have been built WITHOUT tolls. You reap what you sow, people.
Just a comment...
...I am laughing so hard at the thought of tolls, the heavy traffic, the bridges, the tunnels! I really am laughing!!!
It took you to the last sentence, but...
you finally got to the point. Mixing taxes and tolls does not reduce the cost, it merely hides a portion of it. Paying for these improvements with tolls simply makes the true cost visible.
Paying for these roads and tunnels with weight graduated tolls allows the cost of the roads to fall on those who benefit from them, as it should. It also allows us to more clearly decide which roads are really worth building. I commute three days a week to Hampton from Chesapeake. A buck to use the Reversible Roadway during rush hour would be worth it to me until we buy it back from the Feds and can drop the HOV restriction altogether. $2 would be worth it to eliminate the congestion at the HRBT.
The 3rd crossing has utterly no value to me, but if those who will use it are willing to pay the toll required to build it, then it can be built, if they aren't, then we know it isn't worth it.
casinos
We will all be dead and gone before casino's will ever be an option in Virginia. In this bible belt, some things will take forever. I don't believe we can wait that long to get our roads and transportation needs met.
Actually there can be a free lunch
Actually there is a way to fun the roads that dosn't invole tolls or taxes. Just as the lottery funs the school, casinos and slots could fund roads. Until people stat talking about using casinos, all options have not been explored.
georges61555
A toll is a tax and you will pay it even if you stay at home. It costs more money to collect tolls.
A gas tax is an efficient and fair user fee.
mikeas,
Sole dependence entirely on the 64 corridor constrains a million people in a cul de sac, slows the transport of freight and cripples the region's economic progress.
If I Have to choose
If I have to choose between taxes and tolls, then it's tolls for me.
Can someone explain to me
Can someone explain to me the need for 460 improvements? I don't mind slowing down for the small towns and the road has never had congestion. If accidents are the problem then put a barricade down the center of the road to prevent head on collisions.