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I doubt that Heather was
Referring to such an indepth discussion. More like, "Hey--Do you have a girlfriend?" Don't read so much into it. Homosexuals are like everyone else--they really don't have a creepy agenda...
Heather . . .
The Maury/Oprah tell-all generation rarely stops with a description of the same gender/opposite gender person they left back in their hometown . . .
As a matter of good taste, I don't think *anyone* of *any* sexual orientation should provide a blow-by-blow account of their sex life to their roommates, but I do know that is pretty much a common thing in young people nowadays (maybe my generation did it, too . . .).
If someone tried to talk to me about their sex life (unless it was someone I was counseling), I would leave the room. That may very well be construed as "homophobia" if that person happened to be gay, but I would have to let that be their problem. I am not "afraid of same sex people" (the exact definition of homophobia), but I surely do not want to hear any discussions of what anyone, gay or otherwise, does in their bedrooms. Cheers, MGM
Heather....
totaaly agree with you, it will not change a thing for anyone.
Mary, the bible also says that you can sell your daughters into slavery, religion is bunk but believe what you will.
BRP...............wow dude you just make yourself look worse and worse by the minute. Cant wait to see how you react when a black man becomes president, that plus the gays in the military you might just explode.
brpster
I understand that homosexuality goes against some other people's moral code but unlike homosexuality, if the recruit next to you happens to be, say, Jewish when you're a Christian, that person isn't forced to hide that aspect of his or herself. Or Muslim. Or black. Or hispanic. It doesn't matter what the prejudice of one person is, the other isn't forced to pretend they are something they're not to accomodate him or her. What is a gay guy supposed to do when the other soldiers in the room start asking him about the girl he left at home? Lie? As a member of the youngest generation who's peers are in the armed forces, I can assure you that the vast majority of us are fairly comfortable with diversity of any kind. Most of us are well aware that sleeping in the same room with a gay person won't change our sexuality, and won't mean he or she will hit on them. Because a few idiots can't play nice don't mean a whol
It's very simple
It doesn't really matter how anyone feels or thinks abbout the subject. Our constitution spells out that treating gays differently is illegal. It is obvious. It just gets treated as a political issue due to the fact that many people garner votes based on their religious stance and homophobia. I persoanlly do not think much of homosexual behaivor, but I will not be there to dictate my beliefs onto another.
Kate!
Kind of agree with you, but you won't *overcome* religious objections to homosexuality anymore than you will *overcome* religious objections to alcohol abuse. If our religion defines it as a sin, we won't change that part of the Bible (and we have the right to our beliefs), but we will learn to live peaceably with gays, understanding everybody gets to choose their own life, even if it is what we define as sin. In fact, defending freedom (even to be wrong) is kind of what the military is all about . . . Cheers, MGM, who doesn't hate anybody but does believe the Bible passages about homosexuality (Romans 1, etc.)
Gays in the Military
Mike, I totally agree with what you have said, especially highlighting professionalism superseding prejudices against beliefs contrary to one's own. Thankfully it appears Americans are working toward equality but it takes awhile to overcome religious and societal misconceptions.
PD
I'll agree with you on the homophia on the part of those that feel the need to verbally or physically abuse those that are gay.
Yes It Does...
Fear plays a role, not in all cases, but I did not say all people. I said for many this is the case. For others it can be a moral code and I do not disagree with that. However, when one looks at the violence (physically and verbally) perpretrated against gays how does one reconcile with the hateful actions being the result of a moral code? Those are the actions of people acting out in some primal act to dehumanize, if not eliminate, that which the feel is less than themselves. This to me can only come from a place of fear. For those who have a moral code that says gays are sinners, well that is for another debate. That goes to religion and that is a topic that does not mix well with govt, and this topic is about govt. I meant no disrespect to those whose moral codes differ from gays or any others.
It has nothing to do with fear
it has do with one's moral values. Not everyones is the same. The DADT policy should stand as is. Do not try to force your moral values on those that don't accept it. Just as you don't religions forced on you. Same exact thing. Personally, I have nothing against gays. I know quite a few. According to my moral values what they do is a sin, but I do not like them any less than anyone else.
Mike..
Good points! But sadly there is a reason people feel the discrimination should be allowed against gays, it is called homophobia. People naturally fear what they do not understand, and as a result of that misunderstanding many times do not develop the fortitude to learn a little about what they fear. And much that is ugly in human nature comes out of fear: hatred, biases, jealousy, etc. We as a race (human) are getting better but we have a way to go.
Thanks Mike!
Great comment--but expect to be bludgeoned by the gay-fear crowd...Again why are people so afraid of their neighbors? Hmmmmm