Chesapeake high school band denied permit for Disney trip

Ira, you don't know of what you write. I've been independent in mind, since childhood. My parents reared me to be so. I've never even followed a so-called fashion, even as a student. You just can't deal with anyone disagreeing with you. You really do need to get a life. I don't think persons disagreeing with me on any subject are being used. I think their opinions are based on what they sense as valid to them. That's every one's right. Stop trying to trump someone in disagreement with you, by using juvenile insults & statements based on nothing other than your twisted logic.

Hey twomiler, tell us the one about tort reform not being needed again. C'mon, I love that one.

Obama is going to vote for anything that helps him politcally and will dodge any thing that may be a detriment to his career. He listened carefully to what people wanted to hear and repeated it. Listen to his replies in the future.

This my friend is the same old song and dance. Your being used.

to Obama, was in response to another post mentioning Obama. When you experience, first hand, kicking in doors with the authorization of no-knock warrants, as I have, on many occasions, then perhaps your belittlement of my opinion on the Frederick issue, would carry a little weight. Mary, Obama knew these companies were acting under the directions of the USA government. That's why he voted that way.

Why do you think it is difficult for these types of events to proceed? Same reason your doctor has trouble operating: Lawsuits.

While you chide us w/ your imagined free health insurance via the goverment, perhaps you should spend some time educating yourself as to why it is so expensive.

Check out

protectpatientsnow.org

as a start. I am not here to educate you on all of your issues but I am willing to lend a hand here in there in hoping I can help you become a better citizen. Quit posting and do some research.

They better cancel all sports. I know that in high school I got more banged up from playing sports than I ever did on a band trip. (Which included a trip to Disney).
Good job, way to punish the kids who work hard.

Lawyers are the ones that stop us from having a normal and enjoyable life. My youth baseball league is almost out of business paying insurance in case some dollar thirsty lawyer comes after us. This is the same for the school liability, there is never a shortage of lawyers to mess it up for the rest of us.

It sounds to me like you are trying to start an arguement on what you THINK twomiler was saying. Nah! You wouldn't do that would you?

I am amazed at how ignorant some of the claims are that have been posted. Learn how your government works! The school board is an elected body of citizens who serve for what amounts to be a monetary stipend. The board operates autonomously from the government. School employees, from the superintendent, principals, and teachers etc. are employees of the school board, not the City of Chesapeake. The reason for having a school board is to maintain autonomy so that government does not interfere. The only "hold" that the state and federal governments have on education is through minimal funding which is dwindling every year. The more funding dwindles, the less influence government will have. City council has always cooperated with funding and has not used funding as a pawn to influence education-related decisions. Sorry Great Bridge band. There is good reason for the decision whether you

He was commenting on somebody's earlier assertion that "things will get worse with Obama" -- so he is staying on point. I could level the same charge -- what does this instance have to do with tort reform? How would "tort reform" solve this? That argument makes about as much sense as "public schools are bad for America" and this is a result of "socialism". At times, I wonder if some of the people here actually know the true meanings of the words they use. How on earth does socialism come into play here? Much less the presidential race? And as a
reason for homeschooling? What type of lesson are you teaching? Take your ball and go home? But back to tort reform. I am eager to hear what torts you intend to reform, and how. How would reform solve this problem? Do you attack negligence? Where do you draw the line? Usually "tort reform" is an argument made for medical malpractice claims (which actually is not a

Make a stand! Quit the Band! Deny my child a chilhood due to political, touchy feely, left wing, lawyer induced lawsuits etc etc.
The longer the public who suffers and pays the price for what this nation is becoming stands around and allows it to happen the worse it will get.
Do not like my opinion? Then do as those who are destroying this country would do and call Lowell "The Hammer" Stanley!

But Mr. Obama does want to hold the telecommunications companies harmless for the warrantless wiretaps so . . . he may not be for them but it is a little hard to tell nowadays. Cheers, MGM

twomiler, this is not your political blog. Try to stay on subject. Someone may have to bring up how you spent today defending a girl who pointed a gun at an officer after tear gas was shot through her window, then touted how you thought Ryan Frederick should have been shot on sight. Lessee, one has their door kicked down and the other was warned quite well w/ phone contact and tear gas. Yet you feel the officers who shot the girl are wrong and the guy in the dark should have been shot.

Let us allow some of the other posters to guess what the difference was between these two cases. Any ideas what twomilers motivation may be? Anyone? Any continuing themes in his posts?

The superintendent really didn't have any choice. The principal and band director bailed, and it can't forward without them. The question is why did they do it? Was it because some peon parents actually dared to challenge their authority?

Grading on the "curve" is, rewarding mediocrity (the GB administration) and punishing excellence (the students).

Unfortunately, it would suit the school and the school board just fine if the band just quit, because they see band/chorus/orchestra/anything arts as a waste of time and money (arts funding usually gets cut first when any cuts are made in the school system). You can be sure they'd let their football team go wherever they want though, including an amusement park, and they'd find some excuse (loophole) for not abiding by their rule.

Liability of the school system for a school trip,(even one taken during school break), is a genuine concern. There is no need for tort reform. Too many people & entities are negligent as is. Without fear of being sued, some would be even worse. OSHA rules make sense, especially in workplaces having inherent dangers. Obama doesn't belong to the party that insists, arresting USA citizens, denying them access to family, lawyers, evidence, etc., is legal, simply because it's claimed they're "enemy combatants". Nor does he belong to the party that claims warrantless wiretaps, looking into private bank accounts, etc., is legal. So, he can't be blamed for the loss of rights.

"Am I right to assume that we can also be sued while driving a friend's child around with our child? Cheers, MGM"

Absolutely. In fact, let's put a different spin on it. Let's sat that the utility company digs a hole on your property and an uninvited child falls in it and becomes injured. Yep, you can be sued for that as well. More importantly, you can 'sued' for anything. Even if you are found to not be at fault the defense costs will be crushing.

I wonder why the principal and band director don't support the trip anymore?? Probably because the sup. of schools forced them to not "support" the trip and write a letter stating that! I'm sure everyone realizes what's going on here!!

Since my child is in the GB Marching Band Now, I wanted to clear up a major detail. Our trip to Disney was not going to cost the Chesapeake Public Schools, or the City of Chesapeake Anything. Our trip would have been over Christmas break so no instructional time would be missed. The Parents, not the city, would have funded this trip 100%. All that was asked from the school administration was a blessing. To bad they chose the blessing of bad press instead. Our Band director has stood by our students and this trip fully. He only wants to see the students have the reward they have worked so hard for. Personally I say "Thank you Mr. Carrol for all your hard work". To the Band President, Thank you for all the many hours you put in trying to make this happen. Our students know that the parents worked hard to try to get the blessing of the administration. They may not get the honor of going but they have gotten the honor of seeing school administration FAIL. For this I say "Way to go Administration, You have failed our children, not only at GB but every school in Chesapeake."

Submitted by ltcwb on Mon, 09/08/2008 at 7:08 pm.
"Face it parents...You are no longer in charge of the people that educate your children.

Now let's see what you are going to do about it."

Brian Kirwin also said it. Government schools are virtually killing our kids, and filing their heads with hatred.

Unfortunately, the same idiots will always be voting in the same idiots to run the schools and government. Come Obama time in November, it wil only get worse.

What would happen if the band quit? Do they have the huevos to face down the school administration? Or are they sheeple?