Virginia bill would reject national ID program

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By DENA POTTER 

RICHMOND

Some legislators want Virginia to join the growing chorus of states that have defied the federal government by refusing to participate in a national identification program billed as a way to fight terrorism and identity theft.

Two pieces of legislation for consideration when lawmakers return to Richmond on Jan. 14 call for Virginia to ignore the federal mandate to come into compliance with the Real ID Act by the beginning of next year.

Similar bills went nowhere last year, but supporters say the looming deadline gives the issue new urgency.

"Basically, this statute that I put in is one to let the feds know that, one, the way you're going about this we have problems with, and two, if you intend to enforce this, we intend to challenge it," said Del. Robert G. Marshall, R-Prince William and one of the sponsors.

Since the law's enactment in 2005, at least 42 states have considered anti-Real ID legislation, and more than half have passed measures either forbidding their states from participating or urging Congress to amend or repeal the law.

At least five states have gone the other direction, passing bills bringing their programs into compliance.

Critics say they expect other states to join Virginia in 2009 to fight against Real ID.

The program was born of the commission that looked into the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. It recommended that the U.S. improve its system of issuing identification documents because the hijackers had numerous licenses and state IDs. Congress approved legislation requiring states to issue licenses and ID cards that meet certain security standards.

The new IDs will be required for federal purposes, such as boarding an airplane or entering a federal building. Other federal identification, including passports and military IDs, also will be accepted.

"The bottom line is that citizens of states who do not move forward with the Real ID mandate from Congress will see real consequences," said Laura Keehner, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, which is in charge of the program.

States had until May of 2008 to implement Real ID, but the department extended that until Dec. 31, 2009. If they need more time and have met certain benchmarks, states can request an extension until May 11, 2011.

"The fact that Congress passed this and could not figure out the prudential question of when the states could actually do this tells me that it wasn't thoroughly vetted," Marshall said.

The opposition has centered around cost and privacy concerns.

The department originally estimated it would cost states $14 billion to implement the program, but in January it loosened the restrictions and said the added flexibility would bring the cost to under $4 billion.

The Department of Homeland Security and other agencies have given out about $500 million in grants, but state officials say that's not enough.

Critics also claim Real ID diminishes privacy and they object to a national ID that would have to be shown for everyday identification purposes.

"Certainly people should be identified by high standards when that's called for, but it's not called for when you're going to buy beer," said Jim Harper, director of information policy studies for the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank.

"If we're going to have our identity recorded every time we buy beer or use a credit card or buy gas, that turns into one big surveillance system," he said.

But Keehner said the identification cards will increase, not decrease privacy by preventing identity theft.

She said claims that the program creates a national database are incorrect. There is a hub where each state Department of Motor Vehicles will check to ensure that an individual has only one ID, but states will not have access to other states' data.

"When you can ensure that this person is who they say they are, everyone's security is increased," she said.

As a theologian, Aaron Bolinger of Pennsylvania says Real ID is a form of persecution against those whose religious views prevent them from getting a Social Security Number, which is required for an ID.

As someone who lobbies on behalf of veterans, Bolinger says the program is simply unAmerican.

"Our parents didn't fight World War II so that 'May I see your papers, please,' can become what we do in American," said Bolinger, who successfully lobbied against Real ID in South Carolina and will head efforts in Virginia for the National Veterans Committee on Constitutional Affairs.

Some hope the program may be changed or even ended under President-elect Barack Obama's administration. Obama's pick for homeland security secretary, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, signed legislation into law in June that prohibited her state from cooperating with the federal requirements because of the cost it puts on states.

"We've got one chance to stop things before they get out of hand," Bolinger said.

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marye24124

I will ditto Archie on this as well. The REAL ID Act does nothing if border states won't secure the borders. Also if New York and California state legislatures and the like want to give illegal aliens in this country a drivers license because of political correctness and also for buying votes. You also have these sanctuary cities like San Francisco and at one time Virginia Beach that wouldn't do anything about illegals out of fear they would be sued for profiling or this laime excuse that illegals wouldn't report crimes. Virginia shouldn't have given state drivers licenses to illegals or foreigners in the first place. Secondly, these people probably were not on a type of terrorist terrorist watch list. And most importantly, they were Saudi Arabian citizens that did this. NOT AMERICANS. Foreigners in this country should be scrutinized just as we Americans are scrutinized when we visit foreign countries. American citizens have now become a country of potential Mohammed Atta's. It isn't right.

The Federal Government

Can't "mandate" that States comply with this law. BUT what they can and will do, and probably already have, is to tie this legislation to federal funds that the States recieve. So you see, it's kind of like legal blackmail! But the illegals, that we don't seem to be able to do anything about, don't have any issue anyhow. If we can't document the twenty million illegal aliens that we DO know about, how then are we to control anyone else that we don't know about? This is frustration at its best. Even if all the states comply we still have the same problem we had to begin with. The only difference is that those that do comply can be tracked more easily!

Indeed, take out privacy concerns and there is no issue

You can say that about any issue. Take out the major argument against an issue and it shouldn't be a problem. The Real ID will not make our country safer. What ever happened to state soveriegnty?

ID Program

If you are worried about privacy issues.... Maybe you should be more concerned about information available on the Internet. Any nut can access that information.

EvanJ is right

The REAL ID Act of 2005 is a Public Law that will require states to adhere to stricter guidelines when determining legal residency prior to issuing a state driver’s license, or ID card. It is NOT a National ID card. States aren't opposed to this law out of concern for their citizens' privacy. They’re concerned with their ability to adhere to and afford the new requirements. States that don’t adhere will lose federal funding for other programs. Remember the fee the DMV imposed this summer if you wanted to renew your registration in person rather than on line? The intent is to lighten their customer load so they can devote more manpower to meeting the requirements of this Act.

Remember our outrage when, after 9/11, it was reported how easily the hijackers obtained state IDs, easing their movements around the country, and their access to flight school? Should we do nothing?

Security? Homeland? Papers Please?

The pre-WWII Germans loved papers, ID and bureaucracy. Some still do. That is our federal Homeland Security Department role model and it is unwanted by this citizen. Such ideas are to be feared. What is next, tatooing numbers on our arms or placing bar-codes on our foreheads? Embedded electronic tags? Wake up, folks!

The noose about our lives is closing and will soon complete the strangling of who we are, a free people, unfettered by government.

Our legislators should not comply with the ideas and nooses of our Federal Homeland "Security" Department. Should the legislature not pass bills against cooperation, we, the people, should do all in our power not to comply. Why have we stopped valuing Liberty? Answer me that, please.

666

This sound like the beginning of the mark of the beast as referred to in The Book of Revelations. It will start out as a limited use for certain purposes, then gradually be expanded. Just as the income tax was implemented to only effect "the few rich", look where it is today almost 90 years later or the same lie used about the social security number where once implemented it would not be used as an identification number. FDR changed that and now every person as an "account number" for tracking purposes. In most instances, a persons name is secondary.
I too will urge my state representatives to oppose implementation of this program and ask them if they are familiar with The Tenth Amendment.

The solution

was not to create a huge, unmanageable, and frankly invasive beauracracy but force the airlines to strengthen cockpit entryways and not allow pilots, engineers and co-pilots to leave the cockpit during flight. But because the airlines didn't want to spend the money for security they, with the pilots union, chose their bottom line over our safety. IDs have been forged for years. Money has been counterfeited for years, and the feds haven't stopped that.

real ID

Why not just tatoo everyones social security number on their left wrist at birth and be done with it.

limits

Cute philipt43623, I really enjoyed that. How about a two term president becoming a senator? You know the daughter of a president with a brilliant uncle or two(to boot), would do best working to get those billions you mentioned.

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