Light-rail parcel in Va. Beach not worth $40M, appraisal says

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VIRGINIA BEACH

While city officials work to raise $40 million to buy the old Norfolk Southern rail line, a city appraisal says the land is worth much less.

The city won’t release the appraisal, citing “ongoing negotiations,” but officials familiar with it said it values the corridor, the likely route for a light rail project, at about $6 million. The assessed value of the rail line – the amount Norfolk Southern pays taxes on – is $7.3 million.

The $40 million asking price is about what a 2003 Norfolk Southern appraisal determined the land was worth. The line is 10.6 miles long and 66 feet wide, crossing the city between Newtown Road and Birdneck Road.

City officials are trying to pull together $40 million in local, state and federal money. The City Council has informally agreed to put up $10 million.

Mayor Will Sessoms, a proponent of light rail , said the Beach is close to a deal with Norfolk Southern, based in Norfolk. So debate over what the land is worth, which stalled past negotiations, may be moot.

“A line this long cutting through the center of the city, going through extremely valuable real estate, is worth a significant amount of money,” said Councilman Jim Wood. “What it’s worth? I don’t know. If the city’s portion is $10 million, that’s an incredibly good deal, because I don’t think we would get it any cheaper than that.”

Wood said the city is worried that using eminent domain powers would take too long and end up costing the city more than $10 million.

Why the gap in appraisals? Appraisers and lawyers who specialize in rail corridors said it boils down to approach. Norfolk Southern spokesman Robin Chapman agreed, saying the two appraisals “reflect differences in methodology.”

The seller, usually a railroad company, typically hires appraisers who use what’s known as the “across the fence” method. This says a corridor should be worth the same amount as the land through which it passes.

The land value is then multiplied by what’s known as a “corridor factor” to reach the final price. The rationale for corridor factors is that the land takes on extra value because it forms an unbroken corridor, which would be expensive for the city to acquire .

Norfolk Southern’s appraisal used a 1.75 corridor factor, which increased the price from $23.2 million – the appraised land value – to $40.6 million.

Not everyone in the small world of rail-corridor appraising agrees with this method. California attorney Todd Amspoker, who touched off a debate in a Right of Way magazine article in 2000, argues that the way to value a corridor is to figure out what it could be sold for on the open market, not what land next to it is worth. He says small strips of land often don’t have much development potential.

“If I were working for the city, I’d hire an engineer or a land-use planner and find out what kind of developments could actually be put on the property,” he said. “Somebody has to show how it would be developed on the open market, and if you can’t show any development, I don’t see how you can value it.”

Virginia Beach hired Minnesota appraiser John Schmick to do an appraisal. Schmick, like Amspoker, has argued in Right of Way that “across the fence” methodology leads to excessive prices. He declined to talk about the Beach rail line specifically but said: “It’s a real simple question. What can you do with it? That’s what it’s worth.”

California appraiser Arthur Rahn said Schmick most likely valued the Beach rail line based on what could be done with the property if it were sold on the open market. Schmick probably didn’t use a corridor factor multiplier, he said. He and Schmick have sparred in magazine articles.

“Let’s just say I don’t think John is one of the great fans of corridor factors,” said Rahn, a former railroad company appraiser.

Proponents of light rail, such as City Councilman John Uhrin, said development around the project would generate revenue that would far exceed what the city might pay for the property.

“This will drive private investment,” he said.

 

Aaron Applegate, (757) 222-5122, aaron.applegate@pilotonline.com

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ditto

Like "Towne Center" the revenue to be generated is not "new" it's a "rob Peter, pay Paul" scheme (that benefits those in political power or campaign contributors/friends). The vast majority of revenue generated at "Towne Center" was already going to Virginia Beach, just at a different location. Some restaurants near TC are suffering because customers have been diverted away from them! Have gross meal tax revenues grown since TC opened....NO! Homes or business to be generated near "light rail"? A cup of coffee sold at a "new business" near the rail station is one not sold at the nearby 7-11, a revenue "wash" at best. New homes or apartments near light rail? Are you implying that our population is going to grow? I don't think so. The rhetoric that this is being done for "everyones good" is nonsense.

Can you light rail proponents please explain

Quote from article: "Proponents of light rail, such as City Councilman John Uhrin, said development around the project would generate revenue that would far exceed what the city might pay for the property."

One more time....are these hugely expensive, taxpayer supported boondoggles transportation projects or development projects? (knowing that development = more traffic)

You guys seem to want it both ways.

Land Value

This is what is referred to as a niche property. Property values are not always based on comparable sales. When there are no comparable sales, then the value is based on what someone will pay for such a property. If you or I owned this parcel of land then we too would try to sell it for the highest price. The land is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. I don't know if the city would pay cash for it or borrow the funds. If they intend to borrow the money then most lenders would ask for an appraisal to try to justify making such a loan. With the City of Va. Beach being the borrower, I am sure such a loan could be made just on their signature alone as they have the power to tax us for it. The value of this parcel of land is whatever someone will pay, sucker or not!

Reduce the price or pay the taxes

Simple solution... Norfolk Southern can either come down to the $10 million price (certainly a generous offer), or pay the property tax on $40 million. What is it really worth???

Way out of line

Norfolk Southern's price is WAY out of line. The property should be appraised then the city go with that price. With falling property prices, where in the world does NS get off with the idea of charging that much? I'd say it is a good case for eminent domain - and stick NS with the legal costs too if they're not willing to be much more reasonable. The city shouldn't let NS rip the taxpayers off that way.

Time

Only time will connect areas being built now. Birdneck Rd to the Beach, working backward to Newtown Rd. Then Norfolk. Whole plan has been in the works for years. Now it's a big surprise to have numbers pop up? They know exactly what they are doing! Wasn't it called blood letting at one time, to cure an ailment? But "they're for the future" which will be hard to live with if the city builds any more blunders and we have to pay for it. Well, it's not their money so why are they worried? Just come up with the grandios ideas!

Appraisal

Why didn't NS tell the City their property was severely undertaxed back in 2003? I guess they didn't mind having property "valued" at $40 million, but only taxed at $7.3 million. As a citizen of VB, I hope the City goes back and collects the appropriate taxes on the property.

Hurry up and build it so in

Hurry up and build it so in the near future I will have something to ride so I don't have to pay taxes for the mileage I drive in my own car that I already pay taxes for, on the streets that I drive on that I already pax taxes for and on the highways that I drive on that I already pay taxes for, using my own gas that I bought that I already pay taxes for. Jesus H, everyday that goes by we become more and more like the very thing that the people that started this country were trying to get away from. I can't wait until we get stimulus money so that we can find out what brand new greedy and innovative ways they can come up with to waste money.

Let Norfolk Southern Donate the 60' Wide Strip

In its current configuration, there is absolutely nothing that can be done with the narrow strip of land, leading essentially to nowhere. As is so common in this area, maybe NS could build a literal strip mall, but without parking. NS could build a whole bunch of 20' wide condos as is so common in Shadowlawn, Green Run, and other depleted neighborhoods. But wait, locally there is a real sucker serving in the guise of City Council that will squirt millions of dollars for no apparent reason. Redeveloping the rail line will require the entire length & breath to be razed and rebuilt. Developing that strip with street level crossings will defeat all actions before they even start. This whole region is nuts. Projects planned for the public good are ruined by special interests and developers with certain agendas. Light rail, heavy rail, no rail, what matter does it make. Once built it will be antiquated the way things are going. Unless elevated over crossings, the CoVB will come to a grinding halt every time a train passes. NS should donate and leave.

What's the difference?

Why was Mrs. Orbendorf voted out of office again? Change? The new mayor is picking up where she left off...

I am for the urbanization of northern Virginia Beach for the simple reasons of preserving what used to be Princess Anne County, the concentration of city resources and halting the sprawl of suburbia.

With that said, for many you who did not grow up in the region and are transplants or just didn't pay attention in history class, "the Boulevard" replaced a trolley line from Norfolk to the Ocean Front when (not to name the specific automobile company responsible in caution of repercussion) deemed the line financially liable. A great business plan if you ask a capitalist; however, citizens were forced to walk it, bike it, horse and buggy it, or ultimately buy a car. People bought cars and the outcome- Hint: An aging structure that used to require a dime at on ramps and a quarter just before Rosemont Rd heading East to continue, that was built decades ago. It's time for 'The Tide'!

Folks, the region is maturing. Particular cities have been burnt more times throughout history than any other in this nation. We are the root of America and its First Region. Let the

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