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Out-of-state students may be out of luck under proposal

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RICHMOND

Their kids got straight A's in high school, scored high on standardized tests and spent mini-lifetimes in extracurricular activities.

But when it was time to get into college, the University of Virginia and the College of William and Mary turned them down.

Loads of Virginia parents lodge such complaints with state legislators each year. A group of sympathetic lawmakers this winter has decided it's time to act.

They've introduced a variety of bills that would restrict the percentage of out-of-state students most publicly supported colleges could admit. The action, they say, would create more room for Virginia's finest at state schools - particularly U.Va., William and Mary, Virginia Tech and James Madison University.

"We've got so many kids getting 4.0 averages and great SAT scores being forced to go out of state," said Del. Tim Hugo, R-Fairfax, who sponsored one of the bills. "For every out-of-state kid that comes here, we're driving one in-state kid across the border."

About 81 percent of students attending public universities in Virginia are state residents, according to the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia. But the figure is lower at the four top-ranked schools: U.Va., 66.6 percent are state residents; William and Mary, 68.2 percent; James Madison, 70.3 percent; and Virginia Tech, 73.6 percent.

Hugo has introduced legislation, HB2475, that would require most universities to have at least 75 percent in-state enrollments. Two similar bills also are circulating: One would set the minimum Virginia enrollment at 70 percent; the other, at 80 percent. They are HB2325 and HB2324, respectively.

All of the measures are pending before the House Appropriations Committee. The influential chairman of the panel - Del. Lacey Putney, I-Bedford - said he has not read the bills but supports their general concept.

Even so, there is much doubt that any quota bill will be successful. The measures are opposed by Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, many university officials and a good number of legislators. They say the mandate would create deep financial hardships at the state's elite schools.

"Right now, universities charge higher tuitions to out-of-state students, and they use that money to subsidize in-state tuitions," Kaine said. "To cap out-of-state entrance and then not give the universities money, then the cost to in-state students is going to go up."

At U.Va., for example, a Virginia resident pays an estimated $9,490 a year for tuition and fees, while an out-of-state student pays $29,790, according to the university's Web site.

A 75 percent mandate would cost the four top-ranked universities $57.3 million a year in lost tuition receipts, according to the state's Department of Planning and Budget. The influx of more Virginians at the schools would cost the state taxpayers an additional $28.4 million in tuition subsidies.

All this would come at a time when the state must cut its recession-racked budget to balance a $2.9 billion revenue shortage. Kaine is proposing a 15 percent cut in state funding to four-year colleges.

Hugo said some of the universities could cover some of the costs of an in-state admission mandate by raising tuitions for out-of-state students.

Hugo exempted from his bill historically black colleges such as Norfolk State University. Those schools, he said, have traditionally relied on high out-of-state enrollments and could not withstand losses in revenues.

Critics say the dictate would erode the diversity of Virginia's top colleges.

"Out-of-state students are vitally important members of William and Mary - not only because of the funding they bring - but also because of their talent and passion," said Brian Whitson, a school spokesman. "Like in-state students, they love this college, and many remain in Virginia after graduation and contribute to the commonwealth."

Many also warn that the quota would undercut the supposed autonomy of college boards of visitors to run their schools.

"I think it's a philosophical question," said Del. Bob Tata, R-Virginia Beach, chairman of the House Education Committee. "If we want Virginia schools to have top national reputations, then we ought to let the schools determine their own admission policies."

Kirsten Nelson, spokes woman for the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia, which oversees public colleges and universities, said: "We think it's up to the boards of visitors to decide their own admissions policies. And the reason why we feel so strongly is because there is a place for every Virginia student who wants to go to a school in Virginia. It might not be your first choice, but there's a spot for everyone who is truly college-bound."

Warren Fiske, (804) 697-1565, warren.fiske@pilotonline.com

Denise Watson Batts, (757) 446-2504, denise.batts@pilotonline.com

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cowpower

You don't know how much Casteen makes. He is in his 19th year, and makes $487K, and only $176k is funded by the state. Additionally, in 2006, he pledged $500k over 5 years to the university. Casteen is an excellent president.

Unfunded mandate? Submitted

Unfunded mandate?
Submitted by EvanJ on Thu, 02/05/2009 at 7:37 am.

The reason for more out of state students is very clear. Out of state students pay their way while in-state students are a liability and are covered heavily by tax money.
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In-state students are a liability? How so? As you state, they are "covered heavily" by tax money....THEIR tax money. It's not the state's money. That student (and/or his family) paid those taxes out of their hard earned wages and they deserve the benefit of it.

Two points-
1. Why not provide an incentive to the schools to admit more locals, by providing state funding per head for locals at 100% and out-of-state at 50%.
2. Everyone just thinks in terms of raising the rates to meet the costs, focusing only on the revenue side. Why not reduce the costs of education to make it more affordable? Obama wants to set a cap on executive salaries of companies receiving government aid (bailouts). By that logic, since VA schools receive state funding (think bailout) why can't the governor put a cap on some of the obscene salaries that top university staff make? UVA Prez Casteen makes more than $800,0

Out of Staters good for Virginia Schools

It's very important to attract out of state students, especially from the northeast states where those states rank higher year after year higher than students in the south and mid-atlantic...it helps to elevate the academic standing of the Virginia colleges and universities.

be careful

"What is so great about Madison that is listed as a top four school?"

As someone that went to JMU I can attest that it is one of the top 4. Do a little research before making a ignorant bold statement of something you obviously know nothing about.

As far as the subject of the article, I don't think it is wise to start putting quotas on in-state students. Just as I don't think it is wise to put quotas on race either. If you didn't get in to one of these schools there are still many great in-state schools, and if you've had your heart set on going to one then go to a community college, get a 3.0 then transfer in. Like TCC motto says, "From here, go anywhere."

Foreign Students are GOOD

Virginia students should be able to get into state universities if their academics and activities warrent their admission. However, being a graduate of ODU's engineering program I am well aware of the many foreign students who attend ODU. It is these foreign students who tend to excel beyond the average American engineering student and at the same time is more than willing to lend some assistance to anyone that needs it. ODU's Cultural Explosion is a big hit amongst students where diversity is celebrated with music, dance, and food from all cultures from American, Hindu, Greek, and Asian backgrounds. Some of my best friends are from Charlottesville, Cyprus, and India.

Admit Local Students to Local Schools

One of my best friends at ODU is from Charlottesville. He graduated from Piedmont Community College in Engineering and was NOT admitted to UVA. He attended ODU where he had to pay for housing, food, and transportation. Whereas if he was accepted to UVA he could have lived with his parents and would not have had to take out loans to cover lodging and food. State universities need to look at accepting local students so that higher education can be made affordable.

Unfunded mandate?

The reason for more out of state students is very clear. Out of state students pay their way while in-state students are a liability and are covered heavily by tax money. Just throwing out a quota an expecting the money to magically appear isn't logical.

How about instead set the school tax funding based on the number of in-state students so both in and out of state bring the same amount of money? That way it will be a true evaluation of the student and not a financial decision.

Why raise in-state tuition

If these out of state students can afford $30K a year for school why not raise there tuition to cover difference? In the same regard as saying that many out of state students stay here after college, I am sure many of our students who go out of state stay out of state as well after college. Where is the gain in this?

University of Virginia Beach

Here is more justification to explore the University of Virgina Beach. What is so great about Madison that is listed as a top four school?

This article tells me that plenty of in state and out of state students want to go to school in Virginia.

I agree that we need the out of state tuition and should not have quotas.

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