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N.C. surgeon helps docs track, stop online reviews

Posted to: News North Carolina

By Lindsey Tanner 

CHICAGO 

The anonymous comment on the Web site RateMDs.com was unsparing: "Very unhelpful, arrogant," it said of a doctor. "Did not listen and cut me off, seemed much too happy to have power (and abuse it!) over suffering people."

Such reviews are becoming more common as consumer ratings services like Zagat's and Angie's List expand beyond restaurants and plumbers to medical care, and some doctors are fighting back.

They're asking patients to agree to what amounts to a gag order that bars them from posting negative comments online.

"Consumers and patients are hungry for good information" about doctors, but Internet reviews provide just the opposite, contends Dr. Jeffrey Segal, a North Carolina neurosurgeon who has made a business of helping doctors monitor and prevent online criticism.

Some sites "are little more than tabloid journalism without much interest in constructively improving practices," and their sniping comments can unfairly ruin a doctor's reputation, Segal said.

Segal said such postings say nothing about what should really matter to patients — a doctor's medical skills — and privacy laws and medical ethics prevent leave doctors powerless to do anything it.

His company, Medical Justice, is based in Greensboro, N.C. For a fee, it provides doctors with a standardized waiver agreement. Patients who sign agree not to post online comments about the doctor, "his expertise and/or treatment."

"Published comments on Web pages, blogs and/or mass correspondence, however well intended, could severely damage physician's practice," according to suggested wording the company provides.

Segal's company advises doctors to have all patients sign the agreements. If a new patient refuses, the doctor might suggest finding another doctor. Segal said he knows of no cases where longtime patients have been turned away for not signing the waivers.

Doctors are notified when a negative rating appears on a Web site, and, if the author's name is known, physicians can use the signed waivers to get the sites to remove offending opinion.

RateMd's postings are anonymous, and the site's operators say they do not know their users' identities. The operators also won't remove negative comments.

Angie's List's operators know the identities of users and warn them when they register that the site will share names with doctors if asked.

Since Segal's company began offering its service two years ago, nearly 2,000 doctors have signed up. In several instances, he said, doctors have used signed waivers to get sites to remove negative comments.

John Swapceinski, co-founder of RateMDs.com, said that in recent months, six doctors have asked him to remove negative online comments based on patients' signed waivers. He has refused.

"They're basically forcing the patients to choose between health care and their First Amendment rights, and I really find that repulsive," Swapceinski said.

He said he's planning to post a "Wall of Shame" listing names of doctors who use patient waivers.

Segal, of Medical Justice, said the waivers are aimed more at giving doctors ammunition against Web sites than against patients. Still, the company's suggested wording warns that breaching the agreement could result in legal action against patients.

Attorney Jim Speta, a Northwestern University Internet law specialist, questioned whether such lawsuits would have much success.

"Courts might say the balance of power between doctors and patients is very uneven" and that patients should be able to give feedback on their doctors' performance, Speta said.

Angie Hicks, founder of Angie's List, said her company surveyed more than 1,000 of its consumer members last month, and most said they had never been presented with a waiver; 3 percent said they would sign one.

About 6,000 doctors reviewed on the Angie's List site also were asked to comment. Only 74 responded, and about a fifth of them said they would consider using them.

Lenore Janecek, who formed a Chicago-based patient-advocacy group after being wrongly diagnosed with cancer, said she opposes the waivers.

"Everyone has the right to speak up," she said.

While she's never posted comments about her doctors, she said the sites are one of the few resources patients have to evaluate physicians.

The American Medical Association has taken no position on patient waivers, but President Dr. Nancy Nielsen has said previously that online doctor ratings sites "have many shortcomings."

Online doctor reviews "should be taken with a grain of salt, and should certainly not be a patient's sole source of information when looking for a new physician," she said.

Dr. Lauren Streicher, a Chicago gynecologist, got a glowing recent review on Angie's List, but also remembers a particularly snarky rating from a patient angry about getting brisk treatment after arriving 30 minutes late to her appointment.

She said she sympathizes with doctors who ask patients to sign a waiver.

Streicher said she has seen shoddy doctors praised online who she would not trust "to deliver my mail much less my baby." Conversely, bad reviews can destroy good doctors' careers, she said.

"Are there bad doctors out there? Absolutely, but this is not a good way to figure it out," Streicher said.

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MDs

Funny thing.....some of these physicians are used to getting their *sses kissed daily. They will not hesitate to fire staff on trivial and often non-existent complaints. They are extremely likely to complain about services THEY receive that they may feel are 'substandard' or not up to par from a person not of their 'standing' (yet from people who make FAR less, often barely scraping mininum wage) but yet they do not want to be held to the same standards they hold others to, go figure.

Jeffrey Segal....overpaid crybaby

Just do your job RIGHT and you won't have to worry about a bad review. You give the word ARROGANT new meaning.

Good doctors and bad doctors

There are good people and bad people in all businesses and aspects of life. But to block or stop people from commenting about them is just plain wrong. I feel lucky to have very excellent physicians, but if one of them had me sign a document saying I could not comment about them online, I would not go to them anymore. To me, that just says they have problems and they are afraid that word is going to get out about their poor practices. With as isolated as people are these days, the internet is one of the best ways for 'word of mouth' to spread about them. I do agree though that comments should have to list the name of the person making the comment. That is only fair. To make comments without having the guts to leave your name is pure cowardice.

doctor reviews

Waiver or not, there is nothing stopping the patient from asking someone else to rate in their name, not the patient's. Then if asked why they posted, all they have to say is they heard other people berating the doctor, and would be under no obligation to divulge their sources. There is a way around everything!

On-Line Comments for Doctors

I've read all the current postings concerning our physicians/doctors and I think everyone forgot that we have lady doctors also. However, I do agree with most of the postings and having an Army of doctors myself I can honestly say I am happy with them all.

Anonymity vs. Retribution

It’s a fine line between anonymous postings and putting your name out there so doctors can be selective in their patients. Example: Doctor X sees Mr. Doe made negative (yet factual) comments about his friend, Doctor Y. Mr. Doe one day shows up in Doctor X’s office and is immediately recognized by Doctor X and his staff. Would Doctor X provide quality care as if he’d never seen Mr. Doe’s posting? Could go either way, but there’s a risk (regardless of the Hippocratic Oath).

There’s no easy way to have postings without ensuring they’re accurate and not simply someone’s ranting because of a grudge. Then again, PilotOnline provides a method of feedback that allows posters to complain about other post comments.

JUST WALK AWAY

I went through the drive-thru at McDonalds the other day and my server advised me that there was a number on my receipt that I could call to let them know how I rated my server. Now, if I am going to take the time to rate the guy at the McDonald's drive-thru then I am certainly going to take the time to post a comment about a Doctor who was rude or gave inferior medical care. Most of the time when we go to the Doctor we are afraid something is wrong with us (that's why we are there) and to be treated rudely or with complete disregard is not what we need at that moment. We need to know that the Doctor standing in front of us cares if we get better or not. I would absolutely refuse to sign a waiver giving that right away and would walk right out of that Doctor's office - the phone book is full of Doctors. If he/she is afraid of what I might say about them, them I would not let them touch me.

I would like to think that

I would like to think that maturity would prevail in reading/writing of posts and anonymously posted opinions should not matter. You choose what to read, choose what to believe and make your own decisions based on that. You should be able to see through BS or things that are obvious lies. We're all posting our opinions as it is here. People who choose to post anonymously are typically afraid of retaliation anyway.

why anonymous?

There ought to be some type of tracking system. If it is all done anonymously, then anyone can say anything, including an ex, a competitive doctor, a blogging addict, etc. We had a situation where someone complained about our business, and when we found out who it was, it was an old man that had filed over a dozen complaints against more than 6 people in his former state. Had we not had that complaint removed, people would have thought that negative review was justified, not just a grumpy old man with too much time on his hands. He had to back down when asked for just one example. Anonymously, one can claim anything.

Is it me...

Is it me, or does (possibly) refusing medical attention to a patient who refuses to sign said waiver amount to violation of the Hippocratic oath and therefore, a conflict of interest? Also, whether we want to admit it or not, health care is a business, therefore normal business practices should apply; i.e. user reviews. Doctors spend multi-thousands of dollars and hours in their pursuit of becoming a doctor. Why would they not want to listen to the criticism if it means protecting their heavy investments and livelihood?

Besides, I wonder if said waiver would hold up in a court test? I would also say that the doctor shouldn't worry about what one has posted on line, anonymously no less, but should be more worried if/when the doctor is served with a malpractice suit, or when the AMA or state medical board is knocking at the door.

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