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Sailors hurt when Navy ship, sub collide in Strait of Hormuz

Posted to: Military Norfolk

By REEM KHALIFA

MANAMA, Bahrain

Two U.S. Navy vessels — a nuclear-powered submarine and an amphibious ship — collided before dawn Friday in the mouth of the Persian Gulf, one of the world's most important sea passages for oil supplies.

There was no damage to the sub's nuclear propulsion system and no disruption to shipping in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, through which a fifth of the world's oil passes, said Navy spokesman Lt. Nate Christensen, with the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet.

Still, the unusual collision between members of the same navy sparked a sudden rise in oil prices — which had been declining on the day — even though the strait remained open.

Benchmark crude for April delivery had traded lower for most of the morning, but then erased those losses and rose 39 cents to $52 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. In London, Brent prices rose 50 cents to $51.17 on the ICE Futures exchange.

Still, with pressure pulling prices down in the financial crisis, the rise was nowhere near what would have been expected months ago, when such a collision would likely have sent prices skyrocketing.

The incident occurred around 1:00 a.m. local time Friday (5 p.m. EDT, Thursday), when the USS Hartford, a submarine, and the USS New Orleans, an amphibious ship, collided into each other in the narrow Strait of Hormuz, the 5th Fleet said in a statement.

The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, resulting in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons (95,000 liters) of diesel fuel, Christensen said.

According to the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, 15 sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured but able to return to duty. No injuries were reported aboard the New Orleans and both ships are currently operating under their own power.

"The spill is closely monitored," Christensen said. "The lightweight diesel, although obviously a fairly substantial amount of gasoline, likely dissipated in the ocean."

Military analyst Loren Thompson of the U.S.-based Lexington Institute said a collision between two vessels in the world's most sophisticated navy is nearly unheard of. It's more common for ships of different navies to collide, or military vessels and commercial ships, he said.

"It's almost inevitable that people are relieved of duty pending investigation," Thomson told The Associated Press by phone. "These sort of accidents are so uncommon that you have to take it for granted that a major mistake occured by one of the vessels' captains."

Both ships were heading to port and were going in the same direction when the incident occurred in the narrow Hormuz, said Christensen. He said the submarine was submerged at the time but that he could give no further details as the collision is still under investigation.

Later Friday, the vessels were on their way to port for repairs and evaluation, added Christensen. Following standard security procedures he could not say where the vessels were headed.

Hormuz at its narrowest is 34 miles (54 kilometers) wide but the location of the collision was not disclosed.

The two ships were on regularly scheduled deployments to the region and conducting security operations, the Navy said. The Hartford is based in Groton, Conn. and the New Orleans is based in San Diego, Calif. As all U.S. submarines, the Hartford is nuclear powered. The New Orleans is an amphibious transport dock ship.

As much as 17 million barrels of oil a day went through the narrow strait in the first half of 2008, or about 40 percent of all seaborne traded oil or 20 percent of all oil traded globally.

Associated Press Writers Katarina Kratovac in Cairo and George Jahn in Vienna contributed to this report.

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Transits of the Straits of Hormuz are very closely controlled.

So ..... who scheduled them BOTH to conduct the transit at the very same time? Or .... they WERE both scheduled to transit at the same time so the sub's presence would be masked by the surface ship's screw noise. Or .... if they WEREN'T both scheduled to transit at the same time .... which one was off schedule?

Re; Kirk Smith's Comment

You just added insult to injury. Thanks! You disparage those that serve aboard ship.

Submarine Restrictions

Even when on the surface, a US Navy Submarine is restricted in ability to manuever, with a draft that is only matched by US Navy Carriers and oilers.

So now your submarine is in a channel, can not manuever to the left or right very well, as this was a collision, that would imply running near the surface at periscope depth, or perhaps even preparing to surface which would have put more crew members in the control room, without seats, with bridge gear in hand, so hard to grab on to piping even.

Depth restricted, left and right restrictions, the worst place a submarine can be in, paint it black and coat it with black rubber-like plates, and expect a surface ship to see it (even hear it, yes I know you STG's and P-3 folks think your all that, but we know ) this was bound to happen.

In this case, thankfully, lessons were learned without the cost of life.

Navy’s broken manpower system strikes again!

The Navy has been using every contrived method they can think of to cut ship manpower requirements. OPNAV has changed the productive workweek from 67 to 70 hours by distorting the results of a study that tracked manhours expended at sea. The Littoral Combat Ship class manpower requirements have been artificially set so low (40) that there is no one to operate a scullery. The San Antonio lost a sailor in an accident a few weeks ago (same class as New Orleans) launching a boat. Since the Navy has started playing with the workload data, the Arleigh Burke class destroyer’s manpower documents have been reduced by more than 75 officers and enlisted. The reason we have had so many “accidents” at sea over the past 10 years is sailor fatigue caused by the falsification of workload and the elimination of operational and evolution watch stations.

Feel free to take the dive

To those who have never served on board a submarine, feel free to reserve your comments until ALL the facts have come out. A submarine has no windows, while submerged no radar, no lookouts stationed everywhere topside. It has a sonar system, but also remember that our surface ships are designed to be stealthy as well to avoid being detected. Also remember that it was o-dark'30 in the morning, so a darkened ship wouldn't exactly be that easy to spot. This says NOTHING about the Navy except that excellent training prevented this collision from becoming a full scale disaster.

13 deployments

9 of which were to the Persian Gulf.
Ya'll may think by looking at a map that there's a huge amount of navigational waters in ther Straight of Hormuz. WRONG.
We spent more time answering the inevitable challenges from Iranian or Omani Naval vessels, shore commands, yada yada yada.
Add to this, the veritable butt load of small craft that went wherever they wanted to go; fishing nets; mines; debris; etc.
In short, there are a million things going through the mind of the crew. From the CO down to the most junior watch stander. The tension is always higher at the upper levels.

Unless you've been there...and done that...please hold yer tongue and don't arm chair quarterback.

Narrow waters

With as narrow as the Strait of Hormuz is, an accident like this was bound to happen. What makes it interesting is that it happened between two U.S. Navy vessels. It should be interesting to see what the investigation discovers as to why this happened. It sure doesn't make the U.S. Navy look very good.

sub bump

the sub was sbmerged
not unusual for a sub to sneak around in the shadow of a surface ship -- especially in an area of security concern - like the straights
sop -- they would be very close during the manuver to confound enemy passive sonar

Oil Spill Not From the Hartford

The diesel spill was from the New Orleans, according to Navy spokesman Lt. Nate Christensen, with the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet.

This is from MSNBC:

The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, resulting in a spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel, Christensen said.

Thankful at how well built they are!

You have to marvel at how well constructed our subs are. I remember the incident back in early 2005 when the USS San Francisco hit an uncharted underwater mountain while doing something on the order of 35 knots! Incredible! Given all the problems this class of gators the New Orleans belongs to has had, it's a wonder it didn't sink! But thank God no one was killed. Someone's career is no doubt dead, but at least evryone is alive!

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