The Virginian-Pilot
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Restaurants and bars have a choice under Virginia's new smoking law: Go smoke-free by Dec. 1 or set up a room for smokers that is walled off and separately ventilated.
For Dave Willis, it's no choice.
His 1,200-square-foot Norfolk bar, the Haven Inn, is too small to subdivide, he said. Willis estimated that 90 percent of his customers smoke, but that'll change come December.
"I'm going to have to abide by it, and I'm probably going to go out of business," Willis said. "A lot of my customers said they may go to 7-Eleven and get a 12-pack and sit at home, where they can smoke. Nobody wants to go out in the rain and cold to smoke."
Most restaurant and bar operators interviewed recently said that, like Willis, they would ban smoking by December.
Megan Svajda, director of government relations for the Virginia Hospitality and Travel Association, predicted few would put up "a separate room with a ventilation system."
"In general, it costs too much," Svajda said. "They're doing everything they can to keep their doors open, with the economy the way it is."
Not everyone, though, is ruling out a smoking room.
Ronnie Boone owns and operates three bars in Norfolk. One of them, Greenies, on West Ocean View Avenue, already has a separate smoking room, he said. "Our main customers are military people, and a lot of them smoke," he said.
Boone estimated that he'll spend $15,000 to retrofit the room in Greenies. It already has its own ventilation, Boone said, but isn't completely separated. He's not sure what he'll do about the other two, the Ocean View Fishing Pier and the Thirsty Camel.
Pancakes N Things on Indian River Road in Virginia Beach also has a smoking room, owner Nick Manolakas said. But he'll go smoke-free later this year.
"I was going to do it a long time ago, but I didn't want to be the black sheep," he said.
The transformation, he said, will offer a bonus: Finally, he'll be able to use what is now the smoking room for parties.
Some places have tried to strike a balance by allowing smoking at certain times. Maxwell's Tavern, on Volvo Parkway in Chesapeake, decided last year to ban smoking until 3 p.m.
Owner Tommy Arney said now he will go totally smoke-free.
The restaurant, he said, lost a few lunch customers after he changed the smoking hours last year. But Arney, a cancer survivor, said he, his family members - none of whom smokes - and other workers will benefit from the clear air.
Some outlets will relegate smokers to outdoor areas, which the law permits. Boneshakers Saloon, a biker bar on General Booth Boulevard in Virginia Beach, will ban smoking indoors but allow it on the outdoor deck, said owner Bobby Gitlitz.
Barons Pub and Restaurant has two locations, on High Street in Portsmouth and Main Street in Suffolk. Both will probably go smoke-free, co-owner Tyler McMillen said, but smokers will be able to use the outdoor deck in Portsmouth.
The state law applies to restaurants and bars, but not private clubs. Bowling alleys that provide food service also must comply, said Gary Hagy, director of the Virginia Department of Health's Division of Food and Environmental Services.
The law mandates that a smoking room be "separately vented" and "structurally separated" from the rest of the business. It defines "structurally separated" as having a "stud wall covered with drywall or other building material" going from floor to ceiling.
Willis can't see how it would work at the Haven Inn, which is on Military Highway, just south of Interstate 264.
It's a tight place, with a bar that seats 14 and six tables that accommodate 25. It also has two pool tables, two electronic dartboards, two video-game machines and a jukebox.
On a recent afternoon, the bar was dimly lit. The air hung thick with smoke. Every stool was taken. Even in the midst of the NCAA basketball tournament, two television sets were tuned to NASCAR.
Some smoking customers, including Todd Richardson, a daily regular from Virginia Beach, said they'd probably stop coming with a smoking ban.
"It would be like going to Vietnam without a gun," said Richardson, 45, who was juggling a Bud and a Marlboro.
But Robert Wynn, 44, of Virginia Beach, said he'll keep coming with his buddies.
"If I want one, I'll just go outside," he said. "It ain't that cold anyway. I don't want to see the man lose his business."
Some owners grouse about the law's demands.
"I haven't been pleased with it since day one," said the Haven Inn's Willis. "They have murders; they have drive-bys. Don't they have better things to do than this?"
Others, though, say the changes could bring in more business.
"Overall, this is one of the times when I'm getting Big Brother to be the heavy," Gitlitz said. "I think, in this day and age, it's a good law."
Pilot writer Carolyn Shapiro contributed to this report.
Philip Walzer, (757) 222-3864, phil.walzer@pilotonline.com

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smoking at the bar
Does this rule mean that you will no longer be able to sit at the bar and smoke, or could this be considered the non-smoking area? Does anyone know? Does the non-smoking area have to be separate from the main bar section where the bartender is?
Ending smoking will help business.
I think Cougar is right. Ending smoking will help business. There are a lot more nosmokers than smokers. The nonsmokers will be able to go out for a change. The right to breathe is a lot more important than the right to smoke. If the owner of a restaurant does not want a ventilation system, then the smokers can just step outside for a minute, if they have to smoke. That would be a lot better than forcing every one else to breathe in their second hand smoke. Or why can't the somkers just get the nicotine patch or nicotine gum? That would be a lot better for every one. Second hand somke really stinks. It gets into your clothes it gets into your hair. The smoking is a fire hazard, so smokers please take it outside where it belongs. But not at the gas station OK. PS One more thing. Somkers stop your belly aching.
Hay peckerwood
Why don't you let the business owner choose. You don't have to go there if you don't smoke.
Cash Crop (cow) and Smoking is a smoker's problem
Personally, I don’t care about the negative affects tobacco. I don’t smoke! Smoking is a choice I FREELY made not to do. Regardless how low the taxes are in this state they count for a large part of the cost for tobacco someone is getting the money. If the government didn’t have their grubby paws in health care no one would care about smoking either!
Tobacco has been a cash crop for Virginia since the Virginia colony was founded! Moreover, the last time I checked VA was part of a FREE country which allowed businessmen to conduct business with legal products. Tobacco is a legal product. If the affects of tobacco doesn’t concern the smoker it doesn’t concern me either. I just avoid those establishments. Free enterprise used to be the American way. I guess Virginia is keeping with tradition. The first to have slaves, an original founding colony for independence, first to compromise to jump start the country and now VA is moving to keep her place by limiting individual and business rights of legal products. Way to go Virginia!
Smoking Ban and Regulations
If they were to tell people that consume alcoholic beverages that they can not have a drink with there meal, how would that affect business or state and gov tax revenues? Yet they know that patrons will drive themselves to and from the restaurants. Drunk drivers .08 1 drink vs a cigarette with dinner? I think it is a set up. I say tell the bars and restaurants they can't serve drinks. Personally, I think the Gov ought to stop micromanaging and stop creating a blackmarket for cigarettes. Prohibition did not work for alcohol, and the bootlegged market for tobacco is skyrocketing creating crime.Yet they arre legalizing medical marijuana! I just don't get it. They must not be getting their cut somehow. Yup, blackmarket.
Smoking ban may help business
I think the smoking ban may actually help business. There are a lot more nonsmokers than smokers. What's wrong with having a ventilation system anyway?
Let's get a grip here
From the daughter of a man who owned bars & taverns all his life since the 1960's. He loved his occupation as a person who brought people together to enjoy each other's company, make friends & have a good time. Yes, there were certain things the government would not let him do. His slogan outside the was "Herbie's, BAD FOOD, WARM BEER, WATERED BOOZE. He was told the word WATERED had to come off the sign. He complied. There was no smoking, non-smoking areas. This was his establishment, just as the tavern owners today have the freedom to make theirs smoking or non. The government taking dictatorship over this issue is implorable! What is next... an ugly section, a fat section, a gay section, an inter-racial section!!!....etc. Is this what our military men & women are fighting & dying for?? I thought it was for FREEDOM!!! Are they going to implant chips in our arm & scan us at the door??? HERE'S YOUR SECTION!!!!
*Submitted by Bob Farinelli
*Submitted by Bob Farinelli on Thu, 03/26/2009 at 9:30 pm.
I think that the next action that state should do is just take over all bars and restaurants.*
Make them all Taco Bells!! hehehe
Why not the state just take over all bars and restaurants.
I think that the next action that state should do is just take over all bars and restaurants. Some of out elected officials would really like to. It seems that this whole thing is just another way for some to use the police power of the state to make some business run the way they want. If you don't want people to smoke, then outlaw it. Just remember that if you do that what happened with probition. Oh, I forgot that you sure love the taxes on tobacco. This is great timing; at just the time that many owners of the establishments are having a hard time getting through these hard times the state throws a wrench into the whole works for them. I just wonder what some busybody will come up with next to tell restaurants that they can't do; sell red meat (a sure thing for PETA). I guess this is the change that our poplulus voted for. Just so you don't think I'm just another smoke stack; I haven't smoked since May 5, 1987; I just think this isn't the function of government.
Government Smoking Restrictions
Our founding fathers determined that government does not and should not be allowed to legislate against the wishes of the minority Citizenry. If smoking is truly a health issue then make smoking illegal much like government did with marijuana. If it is not, then do not interfere with the rights of the citizens to consume legal products. It is not governments’ job to decide for business owners whether or not smoking should be allowed in an establishment. If some Pub bound folks do not like to be around smoke they have plenty of currently available options where smoking is prohibited by the business owner. If employees do not want to be around smoking they too have employment opportunities in smoke free establishments. Heck, look around … almost every bar/restaurant has a help wanted sign displayed somewhere.