The Virginian-Pilot
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WASHINGTON
Some Hampton Roads congressmen are trying to broker a settlement in their long-simmering feud with the Florida congressional delegation over Navy plans to shift a Norfolk-based aircraft carrier to Mayport Naval Station in Florida.
In private discussions with their Sunshine State counterparts and during a House hearing this week, Republican Reps. Rob Wittman of Westmoreland County and Randy Forbes of Chesapeake have been urging a new look at an alternative plan to shift other, smaller ships and aircraft to Mayport in lieu of a carrier.
"I can't tell you there's an effort to negotiate," Forbes cautioned. But the two delegations "are not enemies," he said. "We talk quite a bit about this situation and will continue to."
Two key Floridians, however, say they're uninterested.
"There are no talks and there isn't going to be any swapping of ships," Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, said through a spokesman.
"The decision to homeport a nuclear carrier at Mayport was not made by the Florida or Virginia delegations, nor do they have the power to change it," said Rep. Ander Crenshaw, a Republican who represents Mayport, a Jacksonville suburb.
In the Senate, Sen. Jim Webb, another Democrat, is pursuing a related strategy, arguing that in a tight year for defense spending the Navy should devote the $671 million needed to accommodate a nuclear-powered carrier in Mayport to other, more pressing priorities.
Webb in January secured a pledge from the Obama administration to take a second look at any plan to relocate a carrier to Mayport.
"The Navy's homeporting proposal for Mayport is fiscally irresponsible," he said in a letter dispatched Thursday to Michele Flournoy, the under secretary of defense for policy. The service faces a $417 million shortfall this year in its ship maintenance fund and is likely to fall billions of dollars short of its needs when President Barack Obama unveils his 2010 defense budget plan next month, he said.
Wittman said the alternative he and others are proposing would be far cheaper. A Navy study last year concluded the service could move a large amphibious assault ship to Mayport without spending anything on construction at the Florida base. Another plan explored by the service - moving an amphibious ship to
Mayport and adding facilities for occasional carrier visits - would require $80 million in improvements.
None of the non-carrier alternatives would satisfy the Navy's stated objective - to disperse the carrier fleet as a hedge against a natural disaster or terrorist attack on Hampton Roads.
"My motivation is not between Virginia and Florida," Adm. Gary Roughead, the chief of naval operations, told a Fredericksburg audience earlier this month. "It really is about the value and the utility and the flexibility of our carrier force."
Roughead has three carrier ports in the Pacific, "and that flexibility pays off greatly," he said.
The Virginians counter that any risk in retaining Norfolk as the only East Coast carrier home is limited. Generally, no more than three of the five Atlantic carriers are in port at any time, they note, and the Navy is well-practiced in sending the ships out to sea to avoid incoming hurricanes.
Mayport was home to the carrier John F. Kennedy, a conventionally powered ship, until its retirement in 2007. Because all the Navy's remaining carriers are nuclear-powered, the service would have to invest in special facilities to move another flattop to the Florida base.
The Florida delegation wants another carrier, and the Virginians are trying to hold on to the five now assigned to Norfolk, because the ships are economic powerhouses. The 3,000 sailors on each carrier, and their thousands more family members, pump hundreds of millions of dollars annually into local economies.
The smaller ship alternatives would bring fewer sailors and less money to Mayport, though Wittman argued that an amphibious assault ship also would bring an air component, in the form of helicopters and the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The Navy's plan to move a carrier to Mayport would not shift any of the service's carrier air wings to Florida.
The Virginians also contend that a carrier stationed in Mayport would be of little value to other Navy activities in that port.
In a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday, Wittman argued that the Florida base is well-positioned to serve the Navy's 4th Fleet, which pursues mostly counter-drug and humanitarian missions in the Caribbean and South Atlantic. Those tasks seldom need the aid of a carrier, acknowledged Adm. James Stavridis, head of the U.S. Southern Command.
Stavridis added that decisions about where ships are home ported are Roughead's province. Stavridis said he doesn't care where the smaller ships he needs are based, just so they're available as he needs them.
Dale Eisman, (703) 913-9872, dale.eisman@pilotonline.com

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I say let the Carrier go
Virginia Beach has shown in the past that they favor developers over the Navy concerns and will probably continue to do so. I came in this area for the first time in the late 70s as a sailor and for the most part found that many of the locals (not all of them) treated the sailors as second or third class citizens. I can still remember the "Sailor and Dogs Keep off the Grass Signs" Fortunely, I think that it is gotten much better for the man or women in the military since then. I also think that it is wise of the Naval Service to spread the East Coast Fleet a little so that if Hampton Roads does become a terrorist target of mass purportions then we don't sink the whole fleet here. Furthermore, it is good to have a second port where our ships can be serviced as well for the same reason. The one's who are against the move in my opinion do not have the needs of the defense of this country in mind as much as they are worried about the lost in money from the sailors gone in this area. Well, maybe they would treat the ones that are left even better after this. Virginia has to wake up to the fact that they aren't the only port available to the US Navy or businesses either.
Well Said. . .
"Jacksonville is already making plans to do exactly this. The Navy is realizing the problem with Oceana and looking into reopening Cecil Field, a much better facility. With the public outcry over a new OLF, and two closed OLFs near Jacksonville, placing a carrier there is a no brainer. That plus the nice climate, better roads, and appreciative population, makes Jax a great place.
This is the most intelligent comment so far, and you hit it on the head exactly. That's why the Navy is trying to quickly ram an OLF down North Carolina's throat. The DOD realizes Oceana is not viable any longer unless it quickly gets an OLF. Cecil Field looks really great now, and when the F35 comes out Oceana is finished, as they have enough lawsuits now to settle. Moving a carrier out was one of the more intelligent decisions I've heard in a while from Navy Brass.
"It would be inexcusable for
"It would be inexcusable for them to not fight to keep the carriers based here."
No, it would be inexcusable for them to vote against the interests of the country as a whole.
Attitudes like that are the reason the omnibus bill had 9000+ earmarks.
They're _representatives_, not delegates.
It seems to me
That the sole reason they want the carrier here is for its' tax base. OK I'll concede that point, but the respective senators haven't done that good a job keeping Virginia budget straight and now they want to try and run the Navy. With all due respect gentlemen keep your nose out of the military's business, national defense is their business.
Unbelievable
As Virginia’s elected officials, I expect them to be looking out for Virginia and not Florida! It would be inexcusable for them to not fight to keep the carriers based here.
for the momey?
if virginia wants to keep the carrier for the money, then what does florida want it for, security reasons? come on people be objectional.
Fear,
There is more to consider than the loss of a few thousand jobs. 12-6-1917 Halifax, Nova Scotia two ships collide, catch fire and explode. The largest man made explosion prior to the atom bomb. 2k dead and another 2k blinded as they watch the fire from windows of the buildings in the harbor. Two square miles inland are leveled. Over 50 ships destroyed or damaged so as to be declared scrap metal. 2-28-04 the Bow Mariner catches fire explodes and sinks off the Eastern Shore. Carrying 3.7 million gallon of ethanol, the following investigation concluded the cause of the explosion was human error, the error not only caused the fire but also prevented it from becoming one huge explosion, but a bunch of smaller ones. The survivors refused to talk, it seems that the crew and ship were behaving suicidal, but why? The crew was 100% Filipino, a nation with a large radical Islamic population. It would be possible that all or some of the families were being held hostage to force the crew to enter Hampton Roads and explode the ship in horrific fashion. A Tom Clancey novel, could be. Flying a remote control plane into the WTC was a plot in a episode of the X-Files, long before it really happened (
Reply to gordonwall
Submitted by gordonwall on Fri, 03/20/2009 at 9:41 am.
"Why is keeping almost of the east coast Navy Aircraft at one base not an issue, but keeping the same number of carriers that have always been here suddenly a security issue. Its all politics and senior Navy are as much a politician as any republican. If security wins out, then Jacksonville should be required to take the carriers complement og aircraft with it"
Jacksonville is already making plans to do exactly this. The Navy is realizing the problem with Oceana and looking into reopening Cecil Field, a much better facility. With the public outcry over a new OLF, and two closed OLFs near Jacksonville, placing a carrier there is a no brainer. That plus the nice climate, better roads, and appreciative population, makes Jax a great place.
Send the planes, the sailors will love you!!!
How about this?
I have an idea: why don't we keep the carrier here, and give Florida Senators Webb and Warner instead? I can live with that!
Deal with it!
Hey Senator Webb, moving a carrier to Mayport is the solution! It de-centralizes the carrier fleet and will improve the traffic problems from which we suffer. Some people have said "we don't have all 5 carriers in port at one time" - you are correct! But could we afford to lose two or more carriers at one time? That DOES HAPPEN from time to time!