Forbes resolution would recognize national role of religion

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As U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes tries again to get Congress to approve a resolution affirming the country’s “rich spiritual and religious history,” he’s taking issue with President Barack Obama’s recent comments on religion and politics.

During a visit to Turkey last month, Obama said, “One of the great strengths of the United States is, although I have mentioned we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.”

That’s just incorrect, Forbes said Wednesday.

The Chesapeake Republican’s resolution cites dozens of historical references to the importance of religion, including a handful referring specifically to the Christian faith, which he said demonstrate the deep involvement of religion in public life.

The examples include quotes from past presidents, congressional actions, comments by the Founding Fathers, and inscriptions chiseled on public monuments. Among them are the placement of “In God We Trust” on U.S. currency, adding “one nation under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance, and an 1800 law that required Navy ships to conduct twice-daily prayer services.

Forbes wants to establish the first week of May as America’s Spiritual Heritage Week to mark the involvement of religion in “official American life.” He and other sponsors of the resolution will hold a news conference in Washington today , the National Day of Prayer, to publicize the effort.

An identical resolution, introduced by Forbes last year, died in a congressional committee. This year’s measure, HR397, is co-sponsored by 24 other legislators, but it has drawn criticism from opponents who say it is revisionist history because it doesn’t include historical information that would contradict Forbes’ views.

The Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said Forbes’ proposal “is not a fair or accurate representation of what religious liberty has meant in this country.”

“This is done solely to score political points now and in the event it ever comes up for a vote, to chastise as non-religious those who don’t vote for it,’’ Lynn said.

Forbes said some people may not like the idea that the nation is rooted in Judeo-Christian religious principles, but they can’t change that history.

“It is those very Judeo-Christian principles that protect everybody’s rights,” he said.

Forbes contends that some who deny the religious heritage are deliberately trying to remove religious references. His resolution calls for Congress to “reject in the strongest possible terms any effort to remove, obscure or purposely omit such history from our nation’s buildings and educational resources.”

The Rev. Geoffrey V. Guns, pastor of Second Calvary Baptist Church in Norfolk, said the nation may have been founded on those principles but the country has changed. He laments that Americans today are more concerned with their financial statements than religion.

Guns said he does not believe that removing religious references from monuments or in government would hurt people of faith.

“I don’t think these things impact who they are or what they practice. They will continue to practice their faith,” he said.

“I would have a little concern with someone who would want to legislate that America is a religious nation,” Guns said. “Then you have to say, 'Whose religion?’ and, 'Who is religious?’”

Bill Bartel, (757) 446-2398, bill.bartel@pilotonline.com

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Our Nation's Birth Certificate assigns parental authority

In our our “Declaration of Independence”, our nation has a birth certificate made in accord with the ancient law common to all Englishmen and officially sealed by the unanimous acclaim of by the duly authorized hands of our People’s sovereign legislative authority.

Our nation’s birth certificate recognizes the parental authority existing in “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”. Also, our statutory embrace of English Common law acknowledges that nature’s God is our nations creator also (Blackstone).

Mr. Forbes' resolution

It takes a certain amount of courage, I suppose, to mention Christianity in a positive way these days in government. Mr. Forbes' historical citations are undeniable. It is a revisionist view that Christianity played no significant role in the founding of our country or the Constitution. The fact that God is not mentioned in the Constitution (except for "In the Year of Our Lord...") is only because the federal government wasn't given the right to regulate religion. Documents of the time, public and private, and many since, frequently mention God and Christ. Whatever rules the states had in place were not affected. Many of the anti-Forbes comments are knee-jerk overreactions to an innocuous resolution. G.K. Chesterton said, "There are those who hate Christianity and call their hatred an all-embracing love for all religions."

I admire Mr. Forbes for his boldness in recognizing the obvious and attempting to educate people about an important aspect of our history, and to encourage knowledge of our spiritual heritage.

People have historically misused religion, as we are seeing today in Iran and in the radical Islamist beheadings. To equate Christianity with things that are against

What Up

Why can't Christians admit that Noah, water into wine, and other "miracles" are fables? These are stories that were made up as guidelines for being a good Christian. By making these true aren't you going against the basic premise that Christ did not want to be idolized? Love thy neighbor was the message. Do not worshp me as a god was the message. I seem to remember dying on the cross in between two criminals was for the benefit of the living and future Christians.

In God we trust was not put on the money until the 1950's when good Christian leaders were putting people in jail for supposedly being communists. Are you sure that you want that to be part of your arguement? Same with the Pagan holidays Christmas and Easter!

the real problem

The real problem with this is not that he wan't to recognize the role of religion in our history, it's that he wants the Disney version of it. He wants to point out that the founding fathers were religious, but doesn't want to show how it was used to justify slavery, not allowing women to vote, or Jim Crow. If it appeared he was being fair in any way then I would support him. He just wants to create propaganda. Go to his Youtube channel and notice he has disabled comments on his speech about it. He clearly doesn't care what his constituents think. He has silenced us.

Wilkipeida?????

You cannot count on anything written in Wilkipedia, because it is written and edited by anyone who chooses to do so. May I suggest you find a more reliable source for information.

49 of 55

And not a one of them put Christ in the Constitution.

Their Christian beliefs did put the idea that slaves were less than a full human being.

That and selling children away from their mothers must be some of those "Christian principles"?

The Pilot at least is a Christian publication.

The pilot is censoring criticism of this bill and the tactics behind it while posting the most absurd avowals of Christian faith and sovereignty. If it is OK for Christians to stamp their feet and say "you are ruled by god whether you like it or not" it would be, in adult conversation, equally OK to deny it, whether Christians like it or not.

At least one of the Pilot moderators doesn't want the readers to know that: Christmas and Easter are already Christian holidays that are widely recognized; or to be reminded that these back door tactics are identical to the approach used by intelligent desgin proponents when they tried to force christian mysticism into the science class room. In the post that was censored I called this "lying for Jesus." The idea that some Christians have that dishonest means (especially employed against non-Christians) are justified by their ends, a christian sovereignty.

They'll usually pass comments like this as sort of a gotcha to the poster.

49 of 55

Do some research! According to Wilkipeida, 49 of the 55 1787 delegates had a Christian church affiliation! If you put two and two together, it becomes rather clear that they are talking about the Christian God when they make reference to a higher power. Can those of you who enjoy the freedom from religion that they granted you not even pause to recognize the beliefs from which this freedom sprang?
And for those of you who do not find the name of Jesus Christ in the official documents of our freedom, here is a quote you might enjoy,

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations." - Patrick Henry

Jesus Christ gives you freedom to accept or reject Him, and His followers have granted you freedom as well. Do you find freedom of religion, belief or practice in Muslim controlled countries?
Why is it that Christians are the only group of Americans who are expected to keep their beliefs within the walls of the church?

No such thing as "Judeo-Christian" values

The fibbers who use this deceitful phrase can't have it both ways.

On one hand Forbes's extremist partners (identified in the fine print as Focus on the Family et al) tell the Jewish community we're damned to death and their hell if we don't give up our own religion and accept theirs. Then they fake innocence saying they just want a harmless Judeo-Christian day to celebrate shared spiritual ties with the people they've sworn to lure from their beliefs. It's a blatant attack on my right to religious freedom merely because its not theirs.

Its a lose/lose... If I hold strong to my "Judeo" half and reject their pretending to include me in a State sanctioned blessing of their trying to make me Christian I'm mocked as a godless secularist.

So just cut out the fake "Judeo-Christian" propaganda and concentrate on being a politician.

what ever happened to cultural diversity? religion is cultural

We have Black History month to celebrate the critical role the blacks played in the building of our nation. We have Latino History month to celebrate the critical role that the Latino community had in shaping our nation. We have recognition of weeks for many diverse groups who have had a profound impact on how this nation has been built. So why is it such a terrible thing to have a week that celebrates the significant role faith-based religion has had in the establishment and building of our nation. Even though our founding fathers did not specifically address this nation as a Judeo-Christian nation, they non-the-less knew the profound impact that Christian faith had on the character of our nation. All one has to do is research the writings of people like George Washington, John Adams, John Madison, and even Benjamin Franklin. It is not forcing religion down anyone’s throat. It is purely acknowledging the role faith has played in building this country.

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