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Norfolk alternative school is unsafe, teachers assert

Posted to: Education News Norfolk

NORFOLK

In the past few months, students at the city's main alternative school have brought a Taser into the building, thrown a fire extinguisher at a teacher and held staff members at bay with broken glass.

These incidents are among the most serious alleged in a 185-page document circulated last week to City Council members and others by "concerned teachers, staff and students" at Madison Career Center.

The bound booklet details concerns about safety - including students routinely roaming the building, using threatening and profane language and throwing desks and chairs - and problems communicating from classroom to classroom about disruptions and potential threats.

The complaints come as the U.S. Department of Education continues to investigate allegations of civil rights violations from a former Madison principal. Earlier this year, school officials canceled classes at Madison so teachers could discuss their concerns in a day long retreat.

Superintendent Stephen C. Jones said he was aware of the teachers' complaints before receiving a copy of their document on Thursday.

This year, administrators have tried to beef up security, strengthen instruction and ensure that students with the most severe behavioral problems are placed in appropriate programs elsewhere.

However, Jones said he saw the report as "a vote of no confidence" in John Hatcher, who has served as the school's site coordinator/principal for less than a year.

The superintendent said he plans to make major changes before the fall. "What we have is not working and we need to make adjustments," Jones said.

Hatcher declined to comment.

Madison educates middle and high school students with the most serious behavior problems, including some in probation or parole programs. Students under 18 who are pursuing GEDs in a special program also attend.

In the report distributed last week, teachers contributed e-mails, observations and summations to support their contention that Madison's teaching and learning environment is "below standard in every regard." It includes a petition signed by 30 people.

Illustrated with dozens of photographs depicting damage they say was caused by students, the booklet contains detailed accounts of incidents where teachers were allegedly threatened or assaulted.

It ends with a plea for help. "It feels as though our concerns have fallen on deaf ears," they wrote. "Day after day we come to work in a constant state of fear; fear of administrative harassment and retaliation; fear that our students are suffering because of the lack of resources in our building; and fear for our safety, that help will not come when needed."

Class time, wrote the authors, "is routinely disrupted and delayed" by rowdy students. "The inadequacies of our security force and the administration's refusal to follow the disciplinary guidelines have turned classrooms into combat zones."

"In most instances," the authors wrote, "the offending students are sent back to the classroom within the hour. This lax policy towards discipline has sent the message to students that there aren't any consequences for adverse behavior."

Employee Ron McCubbins described being "pushed and hit in the back and punched on the back of my head repeatedly." After he called out for help, the students fled. Seconds later, he said, they tossed a 16-pound fire extinguisher in his direction.

City Councilman Paul R. Riddick said Monday he already had heard about similar issues at Madison but was concerned by the newest development. He said he planned to bring up the subject at today's council meeting. "Our school administration turns a blind eye to problems that exist in the community and their schools," Riddick said. "They're so busy trying to be a world class school system, they can't see the forest for the trees."

Harry Minium, (757) 446-2371, harry.minium@pilotonline.com

Amy Jeter, (757) 446-2730, amy.jeter@pilotonline.com

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madison

I read the comments, are you people mad, it appears you are the heathens also, where do you think the mentality comes from. You say let the teachers carry guns, is there no other way to resolve issues than by force. do you think this behavior just happened, we have dysfuntion from the top of the country to the bottom. I am aw parent of one of these children at madison, i taught her to respect people no mawtter the age but more importawntly respect your elders, don't skip school and the rest of the 10 th comandments have she been around negative behavior in my home no, certainly not are we perfect no. do you think it is not embarrasing when i have to hear from school officials that she is acting like she has no home training, what did I do to cause her to forget all her morals and values? I don't want this girl to be written off like a lot of these students, they are little people growing up in a grown up word where we want them to act like adults when we clown ourselves, we try our best to raise them right and then they change role models and we become the enemy, all of you who have all the great ideals why not think of something thawt will rehabilitate and not punish, every where

End Welfare Enablers

Our welfare system has enabled our society to continue to have unwanted children, so that these mothers can reap the benefits of the system. End the welfare enablers, and end the absent parents!

Makes no sense...

when the majority of a schools' staff speaks up and no one listens to them!!
If you want to know what is going on in a school- look at how many people want to transfer out and/or how much substitute money is used up because staff don't want to come to work, etc... Never reaching accreditation so you put in a brand new administrative team?? etc...

Who is making these decisions??? I'm a parent of an NPS HS Honor Graduate and MS Honor Roll student, neither of whom attended school in our zoned neighborhood school. They went to Middle Schools where they wore a uniform, and maintained rules/ regs. I visited frequently so I saw firsthand what the halls/ classrooms looked like. I wouldn't send my kids to my neighborhood school, and my neighbors do what I did, look for anywhere else to send them. It isn't just the alternative schools that are out of control!!

damage control

School administrators around the country only care about controlling statistics so the public never knows how bad the problem is in most public schools. Downtown people don't want to see numbers showing lots of suspensions, assaults, or incidences of vandalism, so most of it is quietly handled or ignored without being written up. I teach in an NPS elementary school. We have 5th graders who would be in juvenile hall if they went into a 7-11 and acted the way they do in school. It starts in the neighborhoods and spills over into the schools. It's barely controlled chaos during the day, and by the time they get outside after dismissal, they are screaming like wild animals and beating each other. I feel for the ones who try to rise above this behavior-they are often forced into defending themselves.

World-Class Chaos

While Madison may very well be dealing with a very difficult situation, Norfolk's high schools are as well. Quite honestly, it is barely controlled chaos. Students roam the halls, skip class, and are consistently belligerent to teachers; students disrupt class and start fights. There are convicted felons going to school with the regular population every day. School discipline offices stop giving out consequences because the job has gotten too big and administration has taken away their power. Teachers are told to "let children save face" even when they are wrong. Schools keep a record of how many referrals teachers write, downtown maintains records on school discipline and then holds it over their heads. NPS administration is so afraid of being sued, that they have tied the hands of school administrators in regards to discipline so that students are given multiple warnings and disruption, lack of compliance, and disrespect are no longer grounds for consequences in Norfolk Public Schools. No one appears to be willing to teach children the difference b/t good and bad behavior and that there are swift definitive consequences for bad behavior.

What About The Students Who Are Not In Alternative School?

What about the students who are not in alternative school who use profanity in the classroom, walk the halls, throw objects, and disrupt the learning environment? I can say by my own personal experiences teaching in two school disticts in the Hampton Roads area that this behavior also occurs in the regular public schools. I have seen students who need to be in an alternative school stay in the regular school and brag because they get away with their bad behavior. I have seen students return from alternative school with no change in their disruptive behavior. I have seen principals send out of control students who were written up back to the classroom 20 minutes after they were sent out of class. I have seen students pick up chairs and other objects. I have seen adults get striked by students. And this occurs in a regular school, not an alternative school.

After reading just half your

After reading just half your comments I have come to the conclusion that most of the readers here could use a course or two in school as well, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even spell yourselves?

can't spell

why not listen to the message and stop citicizinghow others writ sometimes our fingers get caught in the wrong key and before we relalize it we have pressed the select i know you always hit the preview first sorry we are al not perfect like you get a grip and take heed to the message

SECEP

Speaking of SECEP its just as worst as everything else, there one in Th DC section of chesapeake it house trouble students the run away they disrupt the classroom my son used to go there years ago he wasn't really a troublw student he was sent there for not doing class work and the teachers at his Elementary school didn't want to be bothered with him. if you have a good parent behind the student they can make my son now is an E-5 in the United States Navy and doing a wonderful job, SECEP is fine it's the parents that need to be there to teach the child the common sense ,work on the parent the child will follow.

Madison

First of all there are a few of those kids that have got caught in the system due to a mistake of haveing to defend themself is a cause for a suspention which at that point they are sent to that school. If the child is forced to defend oneself and cant because of school policy no fighting that is very unfair. That is not the parents fault. It is called getting caught in the system. It is the public school that does not want to deal with some issues and there way of dealing is a long term suspention and have to be forced to Madison. So with me knowing a child in that school and being one of those kids caught in the stupid system it can happin. But I do agree that the school is messed up with the type of children that attend. I fear for the childs safty that attends that school as well as staff. I think the whole system is messed up.For the few that are there because of maybe a school prank, fight of defence or stupid mistake(which we all have made) they say you are suspended long term, they say bye and send you on your way to Madison.
An honor student for defending himself what a joke.

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