God's place
Re 'Conservative voices urge Christians to get political' (front page, Saturday): Ex-Gov. Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich were entirely wrong when they claimed at Rock Church that the rights of Americans stem from God. God has nothing to do with the rights of a U.S. citizen. Our rights stem from the U.S. Constitution, a grand document that protects us from tyranny, be it religious or royal. God is not being 'pushed out' of public life. God belongs in your heart, not in public school or government.
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Rights
It is obvious that "rights" are given and taken away by those in power, that we call the government. If we say our "Creator" has given us certain rights, we are hoping that this puts them "Off Limits" to the government. But that works only as long as the government respects the "Creator" and we keep being mindful of the fact that we can, and should, control the government that keeps trying to take that control away from us.
Mysteries
Religion is certainly one of the areas where we like to reach back to the past, back when the heart was thought to be the center of learning and knowledge, which we now know to be our brain. While science, medicine and acquired knowledge have given us an understanding of things that were still mysteries to those in biblical times some still like to go back to the mysteries to hold onto the things that they want to believe in, while avoiding the truth. Of course, everyone establishes their own "truth".
George K.
Agreed, the specificity is lacking. "The Creator" is a reference to a higher power, which the person is left to define for himself or herself.
What is *not* left undefined is where those rights come from. You don't give them to me, the president doesn't give them to me, the Supreme Court doesn't give them to me, I am *born* with them. They are mine, and they can't be taken away by the whims of any person or government.
I don't care if someone wants to define the higher power as nature and be a deist or pantheist--the rights are still inborn in each of us.
Hmmm...
"they are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights"
Soooo, doesn't this mean that our rights are endowed by our FATHERS? Who else constitutes a true 'creator' of a human being?
I do acknowledge that many in this life might not know "whose your daddy?". But quite a few of us do.
Just a thought..
foxrecon, the Declaration of Independence
is not the law of the land. It was essentially a statement of revolution from England that set an insurgency into motion. I would think that if they were telling the King that they were leaving his rule, that it would be expedient to tell the him that they had permission from a higher authority.
With luck, King George might have decided they were right. Unfortunately, he felt his power was also God given, and he looked askance at their proposal.
(There were, of course, the usual economic and political issues.)
After the war was won, the founding fathers, after much debate, purposefully wrote the Constitution as a secular document establishing a republic. The First Ten Amendments were added to secure individual liberties from the State.
Other than guarantee freedom of religion and freedom from state sponsored worship, there is not a mention of God.
Whose "Creator"?
So a lot of you claim that "God" doles out the rights described in the Constitution. Question is, whose "God"? All of you waving your Bibles over the word "Creator" in the Constitution are forgetting something - every religion has a different view of a "Creator". What Huckabee, Robertson et al. want is to put the rigid, angry, misogynist CHRISTIAN God front and center in American politics, to create a white-bread Christian theocracy with no room for dissent. That's decidedly NOT what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Also, bear in mind that the Constitution was written in the 18th century, when veering away from the Christian default wasn't exactly encouraged. Kindly keep your "God" to yourselves and out of politics, please - remember the Bible's admonition to "pray in secret".
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Does "Creator" = "God"? I don't think it does in the view of a lot of people.
yes
and even more regretfully the same God has put Obama in office and we must all suffer our penance now
Um, no.
It was the will of the people that put Obama in office - after 8 years of the corrupt and bumbling Bush monarchy, we'd had enough. McCain lost. Get over it already.
from monarchy to socialism
Well thank God that we got the Bush monarchy out of here. Now we have the much better socialist ruler Obama in office.