Lawmakers' bills would give more power to OLF objectors

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Two local congressmen have introduced legislative amendments that would give more teeth to opposition to the Navy’s proposed outlying landing field.

A measure by Republican U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes of Virginia’s 4th District would allow each county being considered for the practice field to have final say on whether to accept it. The Navy would be unable to build a landing field if the local government formally opposed it within 90 days of final site selection.

A second measure, by U.S. Rep. Walter Jones, a Republican from North Carolina’s 3rd District , would prohibit building an outlying landing field at Sandbanks or Hale’s Lake in the northeastern part of his state. The Navy is considering those two sites, as well as three others in the Virginia counties of Southampton, Sussex and Surry.

The Navy long has wanted a new landing field, citing light pollution and scheduling overload at both Oceana Naval Air Station and at its current outlying facility, Fentress Naval Auxiliary Landing Field in Chesapeake.

Local governments and residents’ groups have resisted these plans, saying they fear noise, lost tax revenue and a degradation of their rural lives. A site in Washington County, N.C., was abandoned after residents challenged the Navy in court and won.

Forbes said Wednesday that his measure is intended to mirror Gov. Timothy M. Kaine’s promise to localities that they would have a say in the siting process.

“If localities don’t want it, we will not force it upon them,” Forbes said. “We’re trying to bring some sanity back to this process.”

He said he’s working to correct the fact that Congress has never given the Navy any power other than eminent domain to use in these situations. This “strong-arm approach” has led to situations such as the Navy’s rebuff in Washington County, he said.

“If you don’t have a reasonable approach like ours, you have an extremist approach like Jones’,” he added, referring to his colleague’s measure to prohibit an OLF at the two North Carolina sites. “This would be enormously detrimental.”

In a statement released Wednesday, Jones offered the reasoning behind his amendment.

“The people of Eastern North Carolina have spoken loud and clear on this issue,” the statement said . “If the OLF is needed to support F/A-18’s operating out of Oceana Naval Air Station, then Virginia should bear the burden.”

Jones’ amendment comes as other North Carolina lawmakers push to move the landing field to Cherry Point Marine Corps Air Station.

Two state legislators recently proposed building an OLF near Cherry Point and moving several squadrons there from Oceana. They argued that the area has both the space and the interest to support the planes and the field. The Navy declined the offer, citing training requirements.

That proposal came after North Carolina passed a state law in April stating that the Navy cannot take property for an OLF in a county that does not already have a military base where aircraft squadrons are stationed. The state pegged this legislation on language in the U.S. Constitution that prohibits the federal government from taking land without the state legislature’s approval.

Building a field near Cherry Point would be permissible under the new law.

Forbes’ and Jones’ amendments were part of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010 (HR2647), which was passed unanimously by the House Armed Services Committee on Tuesday. To become law, the measures must remain through a full vote of the House of Representatives before going to the Senate and President Barack Obama’s desk.

“Nobody knows, including the good Lord himself, what happens in the Senate,” Forbes said , adding that, if his measure is taken out in the Senate version, he would fight for its reinsertion in conference committee.

To overcome constitutionality issues, a provision in Forbes’ amendment would allow Congress to go ahead with a landing field in a particular area as long as it passed specific legislation to do so. That makes such a move doable but difficult. As the legislative process grinds on, the stakeholders are watching.

Ted Brown, a spokesman with U.S. Fleet Forces Command, said it is Navy policy not to comment on pending legislation. He said the Navy continues to work toward a solution with the states and their residents.

Tony Clark, a Southampton resident and chairman of Virginians Against the Outlying Landing Field, said it’s hard at this point to measure what the new amendments mean.

“I think it’s in the message-sending stage,” he said. “Even if it’s not ultimately passed into law, it signifies to the Navy that they need to do a better job of finding locations in communities that are more receptive without dangling the specter of eminent domain.”

Clark said there are areas that clearly do not want the Navy there, and others that clearly do.

“If they would go out and recruit a location, it would make it a lot easier for the Navy to do business in the future,” he said. “If this passed, it would force them into this. If it doesn’t pass, it would let them know that the way they’re doing business is unpalatable.”

Matthew Jones, (757) 446-2949, matthew.jones@pilotonline.com

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F-35 IS Way Louder

The F-35 is widely considered to be significantly louder than the F-18. The Marine Corps version is already in production and even the Navy acknowledges that its version of the F-35 is expected to significantly increase the noise impacts wherever it goes. Regarding the OLF, I think the OLF serves two purposes for the Navy. One, it gets the Va. Beach citizens off their backs somewhat with these jet noise lawsuits and complaints. Secondly, it is my firm belief that the Navy wants to base the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter at Oceana. There is NO WAY that aircraft comes to Oceana without another OLF already in place. The residents of Va. Beach and Chesapeake will not stand for it because it WILL be significantly louder than the F-18 and MUCH, MUCH louder than the F-14 Hornets. Seriously, where is on the East Coast is the Navy going to put the F-35 besides Oceana? It is wrong for the Navy to foist the problems created by Va. Beach onto rural areas. It is Va. Beach that failed to protect the mission at Oceana and it is Va. Beach that needs to pay, not some rural community. If it means losing to squadrons to another state, so be it. NC wants them. TX wants them.

Sorry

I meant F-18 Hornets, not F-14.

OLF NOT WANTED IN CAMDEN, NC - HOW CLEAR CAN WE MAKE IT

Cherry Point is the only place for an OLF in NC. Cherry point WANTS the OLF there. The Navy should go where its wanted and supported by the people and its surrounding community.

OLF will never be supported by Camden, Moyock or Pasquotank residents and farmers. We have make it clear that we do not want it here. This will
kill our tourism, farms, crops and our way of life.

My husband and I are retired Navy of 22years. We sold out home in Chesapeake VA to live in Camden NC to get away from Fentress. This was
suppose to be the Navy's answer to the crowding problem at Oceana. Now
they have taken advantage of that situation flying 24 hours day and night. It never stops.

Too many people who live in Camden know this all too well. WE ARE RETIRED
MILITARY who have heard and seen this song and dance before. There are
generations of family land here including The historical land of Bunker Hill. This historical land is only a few miles from Hales Lake where the
Navy wants to build this OLF. Camden is one of the fastest growing counties in NC. We do not need the Navy here, we already have the Coast
Guard, that is who we support in the community.

If you think

Coasy Gurad is already there in NC.

By your logic, anywhere where there is already Coast Guard the Navy must stay out of. Hay there is a Coast Guard station in Virginia Beach.

Sooner actually. . .

"Won't happen soon due to the economy but within 10 years it'll be gone."

With the F35 coming out (WAY LOUDER than an FA18) in a few years Oceana will NOT be a MJB. I'd say in less than 5 years. Oceana will not be gone, but the squadrons will all have moved.

yo dude

the F-35 is 17 configurations away from the F-18.

The F-22 (RAPTOR) is the latest fighter series in service....which means there are 13 additional configurations remaining before we see the F-35.

Correct?

Incorrect?

The f-22 and the F-35 are the next two "big boys" on the block

with respect to fighter planes.
F-22 primarily for the Air Force, and the F-35 (Joint Strike Fighter).
Do not know what became of the other iteration numbers. While there was a long line of F numbers, not all have been used, or some have been skipped, or where associated with an experimental plane that may have been rolled into another plane or is no longer being explored.

The JSF is coming, and is suppose to start arriving in the Navy soon. by 2014 2017 time frame, depending on money.

Huh?

How do you know the F35 will be "way louder"??? The final engine has not been selected and tested yet. None of the jets are in production yet.

F-35 Noise

The Navy's version of the F-35, the F-35C, is being developed by Lockheed Martin and is WELL on the way to production. The F-35 will be significantly heavier than the aircraft it is replacing therefore requiring a larger, more powerful engine. The Joint Strike Fighter acquisition strategy also calls for the development of two separate interchangeable engines, one built by Pratt & Whitney system and the other built by General Electric and Rolls Royce. The engines will be physically and functionally interchangeable in both the aircraft and support systems. All JSF aircraft variants will be able to use either engine. With Air Force and Marine Corps versions already in production, I think the Navy knows that their version will be significantly louder than the Hornets and Super Hornets.

There is an AIR FORCE nepa study going on in CA

for either their West Coast JSF, or for their F-22. This study has a diagram of the latest engine noises. The 35 is louder then the 18cd model it will be replacing. The Navy is kinda tricky with their 35. They are not claiming they do not need to figure out where to put the 35 because it is not ready to come to them. So technically, they do not have to factor in that plane. It does not matter that the plane uses the same engine, same thrust vectoring system, etc as the AF varient. Nope, they are hoping to get this NEPA process in the can before they have to introduce that noisy beast. They hope they will have this 2nd OLF at least approved, then will perform another NEPA process for the introduction of the JSF. At that point, they will claim the noise will be a mild increase to the 18cd, but nothing the new sites cannot handle. They will increase the noise zones, but will indicate no further condemnation is needed as the first buffer provides suffiecent protection from incompatible development. They will "do the people at the second OLF a favor" by not condemning the new ppl who roll into the 75dB DNL contour line. Thanks Navy for the favor.

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