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Take the $2 toll test

MANY ELECTED officials and residents are delusional to think that $2 tolls on our bridges and tunnels are the answer to our transportation problems. If we impose tolls on all tunnels and bridges including U.S. 460, which desperately needs widening there will be nowhere to go, even for daily shopping, without paying tolls.

I challenge everyone to put $2 in a box at your home every time you use a tunnel or go over a major bridge. You will be shocked at the end of the week at how much it adds up to. Then divide the dollars in the box by 5 cents to see how many gallons of gas you would have to buy per week to equal the $2 toll amount with a nickel increase in the gas tax.

The gas tax is already in place, avoids the expense of toll booths or electronic toll billing and is one of the fairest user taxes. It is time for the legislature to do the right thing and increase the gas tax so we all benefit.

Toll roads will only handicap us and slowly crush the economy of our area.

Edward McKenna
Chesapeake

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How to pay for things

It's always the same problem. People want the benefits but don't want to pay for them. They live in a dream world where they want to live off someone's generosity. Obviously, we all, in one way or another benefit from good roads that get us where we want to go and get things we want to us one way or another. So we all need to contribute our fair share toward road building and road maintenance that we all benefit from, one way or another. Although you may not use a certain road presently, circumstances change and you will always want a good road that is in decent shape whenever you need to use it. Gas tax is a fair tax based on how much you drive your vehicles. If you don't drive your vehicles much, you don't pay much gas tax. The more you use the roads, the more you'll pay. Then you will pay at the stores because everything in the stores comes by some sort of vehicle and shipping expense is part of the cost of the merchandise. The vehicles bringing the merchandise pay gas tax.
The government loves to get us fighting one another. Soak the rich!!!

I agree with you, Mustang

this notion that unless you physically drive on a particular road, you don't derive a benefit is wrong.

Infrastructure quality is a benefit to everyone, whether they even drive or not, never mind where they drive.

Traffic backups cause air quality to suffer, wastes natural resources, adds cost to delivered goods, prevents timely access by emergency vehicles and adds generally to the expense of commerce and business.

The benefit is universal and the expense needs to be shared by everyone.

(Much like education and health care, but that is another post.)

Guys, those incidental costs are reflected by tolls

If the truck delivering your sofa or groceries has to pay tolls to cross a bridge, that cost will become embedded in the delivery costs or price. So, those who do not directly use the bridge still do pay their share. Their share is smaller than that paid by someone who commutes across that bridge every day, but their benefit from it is also smaller.

Tolls remain the most equitable way of paying for major infrastructure that is not of EQUAL benefit to all. The idea that someone who never, or rarely, uses a bridge should pay as much as someone who uses it regularly, just because he receives some incidental benefits, is grossly unfair.

Think about it. I fish a lot, and buy a fishing license to support enforcement of the regulations on the sport. Would it be reasonable to require everyone who occasionally has fish in a restaurant to buy a license too, or is the embedded cost of the commercial fisherman's license in his tab a fair share for him?

Don

It would cost next-to nothing extra for the cost of a bridge to be split among all of the drivers in VA by a gas tax. The added benefit would be a disincentive to drive a larger vehicle than one needs or to drive more miles than what is necessary.

You just want private companies to rob everyone blind because you think the free market is the best solution to everything.

Doc

I rarely use the new Battlefield interchange, but I paid for it. I see no difference between one strectch on I-64 and another one a few miles away. As far as I know, I've never driven down your street, but (assuming you live in VB) I've paid for that as well. I could go on, but you get the point. I also believe that we should acknowledge the true definition of 'commonwealth' and quit bickering about what part of VA is getting our money. We all benefit from our collective success - we should all contribute to continue or improve upon that success.

Tolls for shortcut routes are one thing. But these tunnels and bridges are all we've got and they're vital to our overall success. Collectively. Together.

While I can...

While I can appreaciate Ed's point of view, I also have to take issue with the fact that he has come to the conclusion that more taxation must take place. Paring down the budget to rid it of nice to haves, bloated social spending and stopping the stealing from the transportation trust would go a long way for starters. After that, then talk to me about needing MORE money in any way, shape or form. Interesting that billions of dollars in cuts to the state budget were in reality a non issue since most of that money was on a wish list. However, as usual, the rice bowls came into play and no one wanted to give in. Enough.

hiding the cost does not reduce it

The tunnels and bridges cost what they cost, hiding the cost in more-or-less invisible gas and general taxes does not reduce those costs, it only keeps people less aware of them and forces you to pay for the infrastructure whether you use it or not.

modern infrastructure benefits all

I don't advocate hiding the costs, only sharing them. You don't have to 'use' the infrastructure to benefit from it.

tolls = targeted tax

Todays's editorial and the recent articles cited provide support for my long-held belief that the entire region will benefit from easing congestion - NOT just the folks that use the tunnels. When you're sitting in a seven mile westbound backup, it doesn't matter if you're going to Bay Ave or Jefferson Ave - you're stuck. But toll supporters believe only the Jefferson Ave driver should pay for relief.

Tolls benefit many at the expense of a targeted group, and are not the answer.

Ed, user pays - the gas tax is a wealth redistribution tax.

Ed, I applaud your suggestion that folks actually pay more attention to the taxes they pay. Tolls will cost a LOT more than the pro-development & business lobby claim they do. But I don't support raising gas taxes. Our problem isn't that the state or local governments do not collect enough taxes, tols, and fees. The problem is a gross failure to prioritize and to end government spending on non-required, non-essential "nice-to-have" projects and on vote-buying social give-away programs. Ed, the Federal & state gas taxes are redistributed and spent on all kinds of things, bike paths, walking trails, low capacity light rail. Tolls are paid by those that use the facility. That is fair. The entire notion that transportation is somehow outside of the General Fund is a false construct. Transportation needs to be included in the overall budgeting/prioritization process. For some unexplained reason the General Assemply can rob the TTF and take hundreds of millions of gas tax dollars from the TTF & dump them into the General Fund, but the General Fund cannot be used for critical road/tunnel improvement? Why?

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