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Panel convenes again to discuss Bridge-Tunnel

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An independent panel reviewing the July 2 flooding of the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel will likely call for enhanced tunnel inspections and a better-trained operations staff.

Meeting for the second time Wednesday, panel members discussed ways to improve tunnel operations and emergency response.

Flooding from a burst water main below the tunnel roadway shut down the HRBT's westbound lanes the day before a holiday weekend, causing gridlock on many South Hampton Roads thoroughfares.

Water-level alarms to detect flooding in the lower chamber are now being installed in the HRBT. The Downtown and Midtown tunnels already have the alarms and officials are considering whether to add them to the Monitor-Merrimac Memorial Bridge-Tunnel.

Operators of three East Coast tunnel complexes that Virginia Department of Transportation officials are consulting with said Wednesday that they don't use the alarms. They said they have other mechanisms that alert control room workers about potential problems.

Panel members voiced concerns that the HRBT's control room staff might not be adequately trained and that VDOT's practice of alternating staff between traffic management and operating systems makes it difficult to develop expertise in recognizing and responding to problems.

Steve Napolitano, general manager of the Lincoln Tunnel for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, said much of his control room staff has worked in maintenance.

"My controller knows the assets... knows the root of the failure," he said.

The panel also expressed concern that there's no maintenance staff on site outside normal work hours. A supervisor and a maintenance worker are on call at all times, VDOT operations manager Dwayne Cook said.

Virginia Department of Transportation Commissioner David Ekern has said human error is the reason the July main break went undetected for hours. The problem was finally spotted when water spilled onto the roadway. Other signals, such as the automatic switching on of fire pumps that feed the broken main, should have alerted staff long before, he said.

Disciplinary action is expected to be taken against one or more employees, Ekern said earlier this month.

VDOT spokesman Jeff Caldwell said Wednesday that "personnel actions are being taken," but he declined to offer details, citing privacy.

As for maintenance, VDOT will collect inspection schedules from other tunnel operators on the panel and compare them with VDOT's procedures.

All the tunnels appear to have workers around the equipment daily. The Chesapeake Bay-Bridge Tunnel had the most aggressive program, with hands-on checks every two to three hours.

"There's a lot more similarities than I expected," Cook said.

The differences come primarily in comprehensive inspections, which the other tunnels conduct yearly using outside consultants.

Cook said VDOT tunnels undergo staff inspections every seven years and outside consultant inspections sometime in the interim. He said the agency is waiting for the panel's advice before considering changes to inspections and maintenance.

VDOT is conducting an evaluation of the water pipes in the westbound tunnel to determine whether they need further repair or possibly replacement at an estimated cost of $7 million to $9 million, Cook said.

The panel will meet one more time, tentatively scheduled for Sept. 10, to finalize recommendations.

Meanwhile, the other tunnel operators on the panel - the Lincoln Tunnel in New York, the two Baltimore Harbor tunnels and the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel - said they do not use water-level alarms now being installed in the HRBT.

Instead of using the alarms, the other tunnels use other mechanisms that alert workers of potential problems, including alerts that signal when water pumps are activated. So far, that's been sufficient.

At Baltimore's Fort McHenry Tunnel, a water main broke about a dozen years ago and it was detected almost immediately when pump alarms sounded, said Don Smith, tunnel maintenance operations manager for the Maryland Transportation Authority.

The roadway never flooded; however, there were overnight lane closures over two to three days to pump "a fair amount of water" from air ducts, Smith said.

The Chesapeake Bay-Bridge and Lincoln tunnels have not had burst pipes, but have dealt with smaller water issues.

"We all have these things," Napolitano said. "They're not uncommon or unheard of."

He said his staff has responded to broken valves and leaks that never necessitated a tunnel shutdown, but have closed lanes for repairs.

Debbie Messina, (757) 446-2588, debbie.messina@pilotonline.com

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$700 billion for Iraq

$700 billion for Iraq and no money for a second HRBT. Thank you, George Bush!

Tunnel Panel

They will keep convening until someone says, "NO" or stops paying their salary and expenses!

VDOT Management

The problem has been VDOT’s focus on “Smart Traffic” and disregarding the basic maintenance & operation of actual tunnel systems. Operators such as at CBBT, are recruited from the maintenance department and they have good knowledge of the tunnel systems. VDOT operators come from traffic operations with little tunnel systems training. For guidance, they have to depend on on-call maintenance which VDOT is continuing to reduce or contract out. VDOT, if you’re looking for a scapegoat, look at your own management who without providing adequate training for the operators has now placed unreasonable expectations on the few dedicated employees that remain at our local tunnels. PS: What did Maintenance do when called about the fire pump running? This is their area of responsibility. Did they properly inspect the fire system?

Let me get this straight...

You mean to tell me you have tunnels that are under lots of water and have lots of water running though them and you have no water alarms? Running a tunnel is tough I guess, It is just a lot tougher when you are stupid.

Even with Alarms

You still need someone to walk down there once in awhile.........

Check Once in a while

What ever happened to the weekly checks and check off lists? This water was leaking way before any storm or before the pipe broke. If more attention was paid to the consultants inspection reports and work programmed around their recommendations, things like this could be prevented.........no$$$.........you got money for everything else you want to do like meet and talk this thing to death! Management is where the fault is and not offering proper training and putting inexperienced people in the control rooms. How do you even know if the alarm was accurate? Nothing else is.

Lack of Water Level Alarms

Is the fact that the Lincoln, the Baltimore or the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnels don't have "similiar" alarm systems germane to the fact that water was rushing into the HRBT eastbound tunnel for days without being discovered by those employed by VDOT? Yes, those who are supposed to keep the tunnels, in the Hampton Roads area, free of water. I for one don't think that this fact is germane without knowing what warning systems, or monitoring processes those northern tunnel systems might have, or not have, in place to prevent flooding their tunnels. If those three mentioned tunnel systems are not being inspected daily, if the piping in those systems are not being inspected and replaced on an approved schedule, then they too will suffer the consequences the Midtown and HR Bridge Tunnel suffered. I don't believe that our tunnels were not being maintained, as VDOT would like us taxpayers to assume. I am assuming that the comment reported in the Virginian Pilot indicates those in attendance, at this morning's meeting, accepted the lack of automated water leakage system in four tunnel systems as "OK". If true, how sad! Hopefully those in charge up in Maryland, New York and New Jersey aren't

Water Alarm

You can install all the electronic monitoring system you want. But, if the employees are not trained in the usage of the systems. The alarm systems will be useless. VDOT will have one employee to watching the Water Alarm and three supervisors watching him.

How funny - ha ha ha

This morning there was a meeting held at ODU in Norfolk. Unfortunately, the tunnel Eastbound was blocked and backed up past I-664! Many couldn't make it or make it on time. DER DUH UH, ya think we need an expansion/improvement at the HRBT.

Not quite

Actually, I don't think there was a location change. Apparently VDOT has learned not to hold meetings in Norfolk. Not only would officials have to travel through a congested tunnel to get there, but they might also risk some common folk showing up and wanting actual solutions.
(ODU's simulation and modeling center is not located on their main campus in Norfolk, but in northeast Suffolk.)

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