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Group wants new route for high-speed rail

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Before plans for bringing higher-speed trains to Hampton Roads get too far down the track, Future Hampton Roads members want political leaders to consider new routes.

The options now on the table include spurs from Richmond either along the freight railroad tracks that parallel U.S. 460 into Norfolk, on the current Amtrak line along Interstate 64 on the Peninsula, or both.

A study of those alternatives is due to be released by state rail officials soon. Officials hope to tap into some of the $8 billion in federal stimulus money set aside for high-speed rail.

Future Hampton Roads leaders, however, don't want to be at the end of a spur. Instead, they want to see the alignment loop through the region and better connect with the main high-speed rail line proposed for Southeastern states.

They said Hampton Roads' economic potential already was hurt when the region got a single interstate spur, Interstate 64, when the national highway system was built more than 40 years ago.

The group held a town hall meeting at Old Dominion University Friday on high-speed rail. Future Hampton Roads is a think tank dedicated to improving the region's competitiveness.

"We will end up being a cul-de-sac region," said Clyde R. Hoey II, Future Hampton Roads vice president and former president of the Virginia Peninsula Chamber of Commerce. "We cannot afford to miss out on the development of the high-speed rail."

Ray Taylor, president of Future Hampton Roads and a former rear admiral, said that among the 40 largest metropolitan areas in the country, Hampton Roads is one of four regions not on a main line of a high-speed rail proposal.

"We've got to lift our sights to aim higher," Taylor said.

The proposed main high-speed rail line in Virginia follows Interstate 95 from Washington to North Carolina with a spur to Hampton Roads on an alignment yet to be decided.

Instead of dead-ending in Hampton Roads, leaders of the group suggest that the line loop from Richmond to the Peninsula, cross the James River on a new drawbridge near Williamsburg, go through Suffolk and then reconnect in North Carolina; or make a bend at Petersburg into Suffolk, then back west toward Weldon and Norlina, N.C.

North Carolina put bends and loops in its proposed route to hit Chapel Hill, Greensboro and Winston-Salem on the way to Charlotte, they said, adding to the line's cost and the time it would take to get to Charlotte or Atlanta.

Leaders of Future Hampton Roads said they've been told by state and local leaders that their proposal comes too late. The study on a Hampton Roads connection has been in the works for four years and is nearly complete.

"We're being told that if we rock the boat, we might not get money from Uncle Sam or from Richmond," said Louis Guy, retired Norfolk public works director.

Brad Face, co-chairman of Virginians for High Speed Rail who served on the panel of the town hall meeting, agreed that too much work has been done to change directions now considering the limited window for federal funding.

"Let's grab what we can get now and let's not be left out of the game," he said.

Face added that geography, not transportation decisions, has made Hampton Roads a cul-de-sac.

"We are what we are, but this isn't bad," he said. "We can be a southern terminus like Boston is a northern terminus."

Meanwhile, the Hampton Roads Transportation Planning Organization, made of elected leaders from across the region, is having a special meeting at 11:30 a.m. Friday to discuss the future of high-speed rail.

Debbie Messina, (757) 446-2588, debbie.messina@pilotonline.com

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High Speed Rail

Yes, higher speed rail is needed to Hampton Roads. However all the extra stops will not achieve overall better service time to our area. Possibly some blend of high speed and local service may be warranted much like Virginia Rail Express (VRE) and AMTRAK in the northern part of VA.

Our metro area will never become a commuter suburb of Washington DC. Best we can achieve on that score is weekender traffic. We need to concentrate on light rail service within our region and spur connecting service via heavy intercity rail through Chesapeake (Bowers Hill interchange), Suffolk and Petersburg to Richmond. This is a more realistic and achievable long term goal. Best to get what is possible on the Federal front now without much upsetting a working plan.

The Future Is Now.

It's the 21st century. The days of rebel yelling, confederate flag waving, dog hunting for deer are soon coming to an end. Time to wake up Southerns to the future (i.e. high speed rail, computers, microwaves, washing machines and clothes dryers). If "you all" don't no what a microwave, a wash machine or a clothes dry are then look them up on that their thing call Yahoo or Google". Stop living in the past.... Just ask the "good ole folks" from Franklin.......... Notherners will be running things once again!@!

"we don't need no loops"

Bubba said as he wiped the tobacco juice from his chin and reached down to his cooler for another PBR.

You read it right.

"Let's grab what we can get now and let's not be left out of the game," he said. Sounds like a bunch of looters to me.

Where were these wonderful leaders when the past four years of planning were going on?

High Speed Rail

High Speed Rail is called that for a reason - high speed from point A to B. It has to provide some measure of convenience over driving or flying to be successful. In Hampton Roads' case the two points are Richmond and somewhere in Tidewater. As soon as loops and other political dalliances are impressed onto the rail line the convenience goes away and so do the riders. If you are a future high-speed train rider going from NYC to Charlotte would you want to loop around Hampton Roads? Do these guys have live brain cells?

Quote: "North Carolina put

Quote: "North Carolina put bends and loops in its proposed route to hit Chapel Hill, Greensboro and Winston-Salem on the way to Charlotte, they said, adding to the line's cost and the time it would take to get to Charlotte or Atlanta."

Neither Chapel Hill nor Winston-Salem is on the "HSR" route in NC. Greensboro is, but the existing rail (and interstate) route between the Triangle and Charlotte already goes through Greensboro. A more direct route was considered, but costs were too high and ridership and time-savings too low. A "loop" through W-S was considered, and rejected. North Carolina did its homework a long time ago.

I'm not opposed to "looping" through Hampton Roads per se, just get your facts straight.

HIGH SPEED RAIL PARAMETERS

In the field of public transportation, defining "Bus Rapid Transit"[BRT]and "High Speed Rail" [HSR] can invoke different interpretations even to those individuals associated/involved within this field. Concerning HSR, as of 2008/09 the Federal Government has listed four parameters: (1) HSR EXPRESS 150+mph; (2) HSR REGIONAL 110-150mph; (3) EMERGING HSR 90-110 mph and (4) CONVENTIONAL RAIL 79-90 mph.

"Higher Speed Trains" would tend to fall into the 4th Parameter, as outlined in a report by NCDOT which advised the initial goal of eventual upgrading to Parameters 2 or 3, is to increase the maximum speed of AMTRAK/NCDOT passenger trains presently operated in NC to between 79-90 mph. Possibly VA is of the same mindset.

Not to nitpick this article, but AMTRAK is a tenant of CSX, which is the owner of the line between Newport News-Richmond.

We are already a cul-de-sac

We are already a cul-de-sac region. Get over it already. We get a spur, yay (though it will still probably cost more and take longer than flying to DC/Philly/NY/Boston). Routing normal traffic through here doesn't make a bit of sense, especially when we're talking non-freight traffic.

So many people are completely delusional about this region and its potential. It's absolutely amazing.

Hampton Roads a cul-de-sac

Hampton Roads is a cul-de-sac that's the most truth I heard all my life from the transportation board. If a serious hurricane come with the tunnel flooding we would be a goner. I'm very sure also that if we had better transportation we would have better business locating to the area and a major sports team to take your kids to or enjoy a nice Sunday afternoon. We have too many people to keep thinking small. We did this on i64, the Scope, Airport and countless other things. One of the best transportation highway systems I seen is Dallas because parallel to the highway you have an expressway which makes it very easy to get around and even when its a car accident on the highway.

Typical

As normal, the so called "leaders" of tidewater can't make up their mind. Stick to a plan, promote it, be ready to execute when approved. No, instead thy banter aroundtoo many silly ideas to try and appease the majority, while the rest of the state and country executes a solid plan.

Why do we have two different non-elected groups trying to devise and sell plans for anything here?

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