Teens organize on Web, plan sit-in over MacArthur rules

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MacArthur Center's plan to implement new restrictions on teenagers at the downtown mall has prompted a groundswell of protest from young shoppers, their parents and others.

At least a half-dozen Facebook groups have popped up on the social networking Web site since Monday under such titles as "MacArthur is not being fair!" and "Boycott MacArthur Mall Teen-Chaperone Policy." One of the groups has scheduled a sit-in at 5 p.m. Oct. 18 - 24 hours before the new mall policy takes effect.

MacArthur Center officials announced Monday that the mall would start requiring shoppers younger than 18 to have a "supervising adult" 21 or older with them if they come to the mall after 5 p.m. It's the first mall in the region to implement such a policy.

Quint Guvernator and the 940 or so members of his Facebook group "MacArthur is not being fair!" aren't happy about the change. Quint, a 14-year-old who attends Norfolk Academy, started the group and is organizing the sit-in to stop MacArthur Center from going forward with the policy - or at least reconsider it, he said.

As of Wednesday evening, 100 "confirmed guests" had signed up for the event.

"They're going to lose a lot of money," Quint said. "We lose a place to hang out. We lose the ability to watch movies with friends."

A government teacher at Norfolk Collegiate School encouraged her class to discuss the issue Tuesday, said Alanna Miller, a 17-year-old senior in the class. She and fellow classmates formed the Facebook group "Protest MacArthur Mall Age Restriction!" and scheduled a meeting during their school lunch break Wednesday to find other interested students.

About 15 to 20 teens came to the meeting, Alanna said. They agreed to start a petition and get as many signatures as possible.

"At 17, you're allowed to go to an R-rated movie by yourself," Alanna said. "We're definitely hoping that they'll change" the policy.

Jim Wofford, the mall's general manager, did not return a call Wednesday.

The teens behind the protest groups recognize their value as consumers. Teenage Research Unlimited, a Chicago market research company that specializes in young consumers, estimates that shoppers ages 12 to 19 will spend $85 billion in 2009.

"By doing this, they are preventing teenagers who are more than willing to support the mall by purchasing merchandise, food and movie tickets, from using the mall when it's most convenient," reads the mission statement of the "Boycott the MacArthur Center" group on Facebook. "If MacArthur wants to cut down on its customer base, we will help them."

Quint and Alanna said they cannot easily adhere to the new policy. Asking their parents or another adult to accompany them after 5 p.m. is impractical, they said.

"It's going to be hard for my parents to come with me," said Alanna, explaining that they have other things to do. "And I can drive. If I can drive myself to the mall, why do I need someone to come with me?"

Shopping within the hours that don't require a chaperone also is difficult, they said.

Sports and other activities often keep them busy as late as 6 p.m. on weekdays, and they tend to go to the movies after dark on weekends.

So, once the new policy starts, they plan to shop elsewhere.

"A lot of my friends are going to Lynnhaven Mall," Alanna said.

Quint, who spends much of his time at MacArthur Center in the Apple store, said he and his friends could frequent the Apple kiosk within Best Buy stores instead. "We'll just find another way to do it."

Carolyn Shapiro, (757) 446-2270, carolyn.shapiro@pilotonline.com

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Bravo McArthur!!

I have worked at malls for years before, and have been a teenager in a mall before. Teenagers are loud, unruley and scare away customers that really do want to purchase something. The only thing they want to do at the mall is socialize, boy shop, and loiter. I think their business will actually grow due to this. I will actually go out of my way to shop here now.

Personally, I cant wait till all these teenagers get arrested at the sit-in.

In addition, have they thought that

a nineteen-year old mother of a 6 month old child now has to get a sitter? Technically, that would be a violation. McArthur will now have to define the lower end of the child spectrum. A six month old baby has to be with someone over 21. If they don't enforce the exact provisions of the law, it will lead to case by case enforcement, and inevitably discrimination cases.

Rovin has a point. Let's test it.

Let's have an adult take some kids to the mall and see what constitutes being with the kids. In the store next to them? within eyesight? within hearing distance? twenty feet away? thirty feet away? thirty-one feet away? In the food court while they watch a movie? In the food court while they drink coffee at barnes and nobles? In the second floor of B&N while they are in the first floor? Can the parent drop them off then go park? Let's test this and see what McArthur Center does? They will have to exactly define what counts as chaperoning.

If teens [or anyone] wants

If teens [or anyone] wants to protest, they should buy an airline ticket and buy their goodies from the source.....China!

All malls should follow

I can't stand going to the mall because of all teenagers. Hopefully Lynnhaven and Greenbrier will follow. Maybe now we can get some higher end department stores.

Facebook group "Protest MacArthur Mall Age Restriction!"

I'm still in favor of the ban, but I do think the organizers of the Facebook group "Protest MacArthur Mall Age Restriction!" deserve credit for their efforts. They articulated their cause calmly and succinctly, backing it up with research. Their reason for no longer supporting a sit-in demonstrates a lot of maturity. Nice job!

Case By Case

Since there are teens who ARE mature, shopping, spending, going to the movies on a date and etc, why can't they just put up a policy against too many grouped together, or, perhaps under 16, where you don't drive. I'd say let the mall suffer for the loss of those who are responsible. I personally don't shop that mall anymore because the only store I went for, closed. SO.....I really don't care. Just looking from my own life experiences. I am a leftover from the 70's if you will!

Give it a chance to work before shooting it down.

I have lived in other cities with similar policies. I guess people are under the impression that there will be Bouncers at the Mall doors checking ID's. This is not the case; if you are a teenager in the Mall Shopping and acting like you have some sense and home training then you would be able to come and go as you please. However, if you are being disorderly, Security would immediately request to speak to the adult chaperone. If there is no one to take responsibility for the person or group, Security will be allowed to immediately escort the disorderly person or group out the Mall and off the property. It actually gives the Mall more leeway in policing bad behavior instead of filling out reports and calling police only to have the culprits walk off only to return later causing more problems I personally; go to the mall with my children or rotate as a chaperone between the parents of their friends. I have personally seen Malls go from Trashy to Classy once the word is out that nonsense will not be tolerated. I think it will work

Location, Location, Location

You can't build a mall in the middle of a major city and not expect kids to hang out. The problem is not kids under 18 years of age, it is groups of kids under 18 years of age. If the mall was to ban the groups, than the ACLU and Jesse Jackson would be attending the protest. However, by stating that anyone under the age of 18 cannot go to the mall without a parent is an out and poor judgement. Why 5pm, why not 4pm, or 3pm or why not at all times? Chesapeake Square ran out the kids about 10 years ago and they were quick to realize that they had a tremendous loss of revenue. Now they have the elderly running track through an empty mall and drinking coffee at McDonalds all afternoon. However, we can complain about their actions, but what about solutions. I believe that the kids need to behave and any kid not behaving should be asked to leave. Take the kids name and after being removed three times, charge the kid for disturbing the peace and place a restraining order on the youth. Don't make properly raised kids suffer for the actions of those who don't have any manners. And, don't build malls in the middle of large cities and neighborhoods.

LOCATION:

GREAT IDEA, Three shots,and if you can't behave yourself properly, OUT THE DOOR YOU GO. No if,ands,or buts about it. If you want to be loud and noisy,and act like a jerk,outside has PLENTY OF SPACE ,WAY TO GO MacARTHUR...

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