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By Jaedda Armstrong
NORFOLK
At 5:05 Wednesday evening, 17-year-old Tiffani Walker stood outside MacArthur Center waiting for her mother to pick her up.
She'd rather have still been inside shopping, but she would have been asked to leave and been escorted out by the downtown mall's security guards. The guards now stood at every entrance scanning each passing face for a hint of adolescence.
Thursday marked the one-month mark of the mall's no-teens-after-5 policy. The rule requires shoppers younger than 18 to have a "supervising adult" at least 21 years of age with them if they come to the mall after 5 p.m.
"It's so not fair, but what can you do?" said Walker, clutching an Aeropostale shopping bag. "Not all teens are looking for trouble. I actually shop here for clothes and shoes."
Jim Wofford, the mall's general manager, said staff members initiated the policy after they noticed an increase in "unsupervised" youths congregating at MacArthur Center in the evenings. The staff wanted, he said, to prevent any issues that could arise from large gatherings.
When mall officials announced the plan in early October, local teens rallied in opposition, called for boycotts, and created group pages on the social-networking site Facebook to criticize the policy.
Quint Guvernator, a 14-year-old Norfolk Academy student, created the Facebook group "MacArthur is not being fair!," now boasting more than 2,000 members.
A day before the policy went into effect, Guvernator and about 40 teens from the Facebook group gathered in front of the mall holding signs and protesting the rule. One sign read, "Mall Should Be For All."
Mall officials applauded the teens' ambition but made no change to the policy.
Since then, Guvernator hasn't set foot in MacArthur Center, and he encourages his friends and family members to spend their money at other malls.
"They're going to lose a lot of sales from kids and adults," he said.
Although the teen protests have quieted down, they won't stay that way, Guvernator said Thursday. He plans to organize another event - maybe a second protest - after the holidays.
"Of course, there are still folks that don't agree with the policy, but whether they agree or not, I'm sure everyone supports a safer environment for our children and our customers," Wofford said.
Mall officials aren't tracking the number of teens who have violated the rule, Wofford said. He also said he doesn't know whether any merchants have seen a difference in sales since the policy went into effect.
Managers at several stores in the mall, including Aeropostale and GameStop, declined to comment.
By 5:30 p.m. Wednesday, the mall's halls were quiet and most stores were empty. Security guards walked the mall, scanning faces.
Standing by the entrance of clothing store Forever 21, employee Joseph Nguyen folded clothes and placed them on a shelf.
Before the ban, teens would cram into the store to check out the latest fashions, said the 19-year-old cashier.
"Now," he said, "it's just dead in here."
Jaedda Armstrong, (757)222-5846, jaedda.armstrong@pilotonline.com

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And our rights are....
You can see by just reading the comments from this story, the people commenting are mostly adults who believe teens are causing trouble. I agree with those that can see that this is wrong. We as kids have apparently "no rights" and since for the most part all people care about are themselves not many would stand up for us or see that it is taking "our rights" away. Are we not citizens of the United States? And I'm pretty sure we are, we have the right to PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY. Which is basically what us teens come to do at malls because where else are we supposed to go to be with a large group of our friends safely. I have also never in my life seen another teen being rude or trouble-causing at a mall, so I don't see the problem. It also makes it harder for the teens who have jobs there or were hoping to apply. I doubt this policy will stay for long, but I don't think I will ever go back to MacArthur in my life. who's next to be banned from MacArthur?
MacArthur Parked
I am under the impression that the two sides, the mall and the teens, reached an agreement after sitting down to discuss the ban.
Read ALL about it -
http://tidewaterlog.blogspot.com/2009/10/new-rule-to-make-hangin-tough-for-teens.html
Numero Uno, it's undeniable
Numero Uno, it's undeniable this policy hurt's mall store business... is business something norfolk has such a surplus of that it can squander on misguided moral quests?
Second, obviously these moral advocate parents are oblivious to where alcohol, sex, drugs, fights happen... never in the mall... in their neighborhoods, at teen's homes, regardless of whether a parent is home or not
Also, the proposed solution of regulating children from dawn to dusk as a solution is pretty naive too... I saw it backfire a million and one times growing up
hmmm
I hope all the malls do this so I can get my holiday shopping a little more smoothly.
The Mall
In the end and especially with the holidays fast approaching, MONEY will decide who comes and goes and the time it happens.
Teens in the mall
I do not have a problem with tightening security in the mall. I do have a problem when you say all teenagers are bad and none are allowed after 5 pm without adult supervision. There are some hard working kids out there that deserve some credit too. Yes there are some bad apples but what about the kid who works after school and can only get to the mall after 5 pm? What about those kids who work in the mall stores or is that not allowed too? How do they go Christmas shopping for mommy or daddy's present? I am all for keeping the mall a safe place for family; I have three kids of my own. But I do not want anyone to get banned from the mall after a certain hour because they fit a profile. I wonder how much money the stores and restaurants have lost because of this rule too? There has to be a better way.
What shopping?
Do your kids have money like that? I didn't when I was 15, and I'd bet you most kids don't today. They just go to the mall to hang out and window shop. They seek to be free from constraints and away from their parents! Hence the the "trouble." Sure, they might buy a cookie or a Starbucks, but they usually want a free water and I'm certain they're not dropping 50 bucks on clothes each time they go to the mall.
Finally, I don't understnad for the life of me why these kids aren't with their parents anyway. I remember going to the mall with my friends during the Summer from time to time to see a movie and being dropped off and picked up by Mom or Dad, but I would never be there by myself or without my parents on weeknights or during the school year. Has so much changed in 20 years?
The Pilot loves to stir the pot
OK, the pilot covered this story a month ago so why continue stirring the pot. Where's the real news? A real reporter would be out looking for news that interest Hampton Roads not one sitting in his office re-reporting old newsthat was reported a month ago. When the mall continues loosing revenues, they'll change the policy.
The Pilot does well
I'm glad they're actually following up on a story. The Pilot should do more of that, not less.
the numbers
The numbers speak for themselves. Support for this policy is close to 5-to-1. The people have spoken.