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Dustin Long

From Daytona to California, Dustin Long covers the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series. Read all of his stories on PilotOnline.com's Auto Racing channel. He also writes a regular column for SportsIllustrated.com. Follow him on Twitter.

NASCAR faces a dilemma with Talladega; what must officials do?

 

NASCAR faces a challenge as it heads into its final three weeks of the season.

 

What to do with Talladega.

 

While I'm sure many fans enjoyed Sunday's race, there were certainly a good bit of Internet chatter from folks not pleased.

 

Certainly there was a good bit of criticism even from drivers Sunday about the racing. They don't like all the rule changes and the feeling of being boxed in on how they can race. While there was some single-file racing Sunday, let's be honest, that has happened here at times. Doesn't mean it's happened as much as it might have Sunday. Let's also understand that everyone walked away, including Ryan Newman and Mark Martin, who both got upside down.

 

Here's a couple of questions to ponder.

 

# With a race that features 58 lead changes, has a 13-car wreck on the last lap and features a first time winner this year, why would you consider this a boring race if you did?

 

# What can be done to make things better if they weren't good enough for you?

 

OK, so here's what some of the drivers said after the race about the racing and such:

 

# We'll start with Ryan Newman, among the most vocal, after his wreck.

 

"I wish NASCAR would do something. It was a boring race for the fans. That (wreck) is not something anybody wants to see. At least I hope not. If they do, go home because you don't belong here. It's just a product of this racing and what NASCAR has put us into with this box and these restrictor plates with these types of cars. You know with the yellow line, no bump-drafting, no passing. Drivers used to able to respect each other and race around each other. Richard Petty, David Pearson and Bobby Allison and all those guys have always done that. I guess they don't think much of us anymore.

 

Newman also says later: "The more rules, the more NASCAR is telling us how to drive the race cars, the less we can race and the less we can put on a show for the fans.

 

"It is a ridiculous situation. it is a shame that not more is getting done. I guess maybe I expect NASCAR to call me. I am the only (driver) out there with an engineering degree. I would like to have a little respect on my end.''

 

Asked if he would go talk to NASCAR, Newman said: "I am not going to talk to them. It just doesn't matter.''

 

# Here's Dale Earnhardt Jr. on the racing and what happened Sunday.

 

"The deal about not pushing through the corners didn’t have nothing to do with that wreck. It was just the same old stuff. Blocking. Everybody blocks and cuts each other off in trying to defend their position. You can’t blame them. What are you going to do?

 

"As long as we’re running 3-wide with a motor that won’t go nowhere and we’re just stuck, accidents are going to happen. When the money is on the line, we need to do something to spread us out a little bit. I’m not sure.''

    

       (IS THIS ACCEPTABLE OR DOES SOMETHING NEED TO BE LOOKED AT OR CHANGED)

 

            “I don’t think it’s acceptable.

 

            (WHY?)

 

            “I almost got in it, so I wouldn’t be very happy right now. I feel lucky that I didn’t wreck. I feel like racing here with the COT and the plate is a lottery. We show up to bust our (rear) and work hard to get our cars to handle and drive right and do right everywhere else but when you come here, you just sit in the bus and wait for the (darn) race to start and see what you’re number is at the end of the deal. It’s a lottery.

 

# Denny Hamlin about the racing:

 

(RACE BORING?)

 

"I'm as bored as they (fans) are sitting in the car. Wtih the race this long, it could be 15 laps and you would probably have a better show then what you would if it was 188. Superspeedway racing is that way, especially when you put us in a box and say we have to drive a certain way, then it just makes us not want to race even harder until the very end.

 

(ANY ORGANIZED EFFORT BY THE DRIVERS EARLY TO RACE SINGLE FILE)

 

"I think it's just everyone saying you don't even need to go with 30 go, so why do we need to go with 130 to go. I think everyone was just content to log laps.  It just seems like once everyone gets in a comfortable position, some guys go to the front and the back and they're sick of trying ot make it back and forth, they're just fine to settle in.''

 

# Carl Edwards on the racing Sunday.

 

(RYAN NEWMAN SAYS NASCAR PUTS YOU IN A BOX AND DOESN'T RESPECT YOU AS DRIVERS AT ALL)

 

"i know exactly how Ryan feels. I know exactly how he feels.

 

(WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT)

 

"What they (NASCAR) need to do, and, man I never thought I'd be saying this, but they just need to say you can't push anybody anywhere on the race track and then I think you wouldn't have the people banging down the straightaway and separating in the corners. I would not have guessed it, but I think NASCAR headed in the right direction if we're going to have to race at these places. I guess that is what we're going to have to do.''

 

 

# Robin Pemberton, NASCAR VP of Competition:

 

"What happened today? To be honest with you, this race is like many of the races that happen at Talladega. Lot of good close competition and, all in all, it's not uncommon, even though you don't want it to happen, but you have a green-white-checkered finish. Once in a while you get a car that gets over. it's about what Talladega is.''

 

(WHAT ABOUT SINGLE FILE RACING EARLY)

 

"That's the way Talladega (is and) how you have to race a lot of the 500-mile races. Lot of 500-mile races when you listen to the teams, they work on their cars, they get their cars to handle and then they log laps during a small porition or middle third of the race in order to have their equipment ready for the end of the race. So, it's not uncommon of any 500-mile race that you see.

 

(DID THE RULE CHAGNES WITH THE BUMP DRAFTING WORK)

 

"It might have been a little bit different but what happened today, we didn't have any major incidents in the corner. The two wrecks that happened they happened in the free zone (straights and tri-oval) where we weren't monitoring the bump drafting or anything like that.

 

(SOME DRIVERS WERE UPSET, SAYING they've been put in a box with the bumping rule, yet you guys said in the drivers meeting you had to do this, does it bother you drivers are complaining about it?)

 

"It doesn't bother us. We do a service for those guys. Many of them that come to us, say you've got to help us from ourselves and we do just that. We took away the bumping or hooking up in the corner and the incidents that happened were the free zone we weren't regulating.''

 

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WHAT THEY SAID:

 

# Race winner Jamie McMurray on his future since he won't be back at Roush Fenway Racing:

 

"There aren't a lot of rides available right now. Everybody knows what rides there are out there and, certainly, if a sponsor were to call me that would make it a lot easier. With the amount of teams that are shutting down, there's not a lot of options out there, so I think everyone knows the cars that are available right now. For me, I just hope that we can get it signed and then announce it whenever they want to so that will make it a little bit easier to sleep at night.''

 

# Mark Martin talkling about his wreck at the end of the race where he rolled upside down:

 

"It was just a wreck. I hope everybody enjoyed the show there. I don't know what it looked like. It felt pretty exciting from my viewpoint there. I have no idea. I don't have a clue. Don't know what happened out there. I don't know. Congratulations to Jamie McMurray and that's about all I know about the whole race. I'll find out later I guess."

 

# Jimmie Johnson on his expanding points lead. He's now up on Mark Martin by 184 points and Jeff Gordon by 192 points. Most you can make on a driver in a race is 161 points. Thus, Johnson could finish last at Texas next weekend and will still leave as the points leader no matter what Martin does.

 

"I'm not going to let up and lose focus to the job I need to do and allow the championship to be in the forefront of my mind until it's mathematically locked out. I can lose (161) points next week if I miss a shift and blow the engine at the start ofthe Texas race and Mark has a perfect day. So with all that in mind, yes, I am feeling much better about things.''

 

# Joey Logano on his strategy during Sunday's race:

 

"I was just whoever was in front of me I was going to push like heck and hope for the best.''

 

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QUICK HITS

 

# Robert Richardson Jr. finished 18th in his Cup series debut, driving for Tommy Baldwin Racing.

 

# Joey Logano finished third. It's his fourth consecutive top-15 finish.

 

# Denny Hamlin blew a motor for the second time in the last three weeks.

 

# Jeff Burton's 5th-place finish was his first top-10 since Pocono in June and it came in his first race with new crew chief Todd Berrier.

 

# Talladega spring winner Brad Keselowski finished 8th.

 

# Bobby Labonte's 10th-place finish was the first top-10 for the No. 71 TRG Motorsports team this season.

 

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QUESTION TIME

 

Now, it's time to hear from you.

 

# With a race that features 58 lead changes, has a 13-car wreck on the last lap and features a first time winner this year, why would you consider this a boring race if you did?

 

# What can be doneto make things better if they weren't good enough for you?

 

If you don't respond, you can't be heard.

 

 

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Road Race!

One more suggestion: Use the road course at Daytona and Talledega and take off the restrictor plates. You'd still get the high banked action, but the road course would separate the cars. Talledega may need to have a better road course built, but that would be easy since there's no lake in the middle.

Actually, it wouldn't have to be much of a road course. Just put an offset in the back straight to slow the cars down before turn 3.

With these changes, you'd still have almost as high a speed, possibly higher (without plates) on the banks, but it would break up the packs of cars.

No, wont support that.

Daytona and Talladega exist as "these" types of races. We have short tracks, like Bristol Martinsville and Richmond, middle tracks like Phoenix and Dover, middle speedway tracks like Charlotte and Texas and Atlanta, D's like California and michigan, and the two road courses at Sonoma and Watkins Glen. We are primarily an oval racing division, we don't need to take down our restrictor plate tracks (remember NASCAR owes most of its identity from the Daytona 500) and make them road coures. We can ADD those races, not REPLACE. Like IROC did its last season, raced the oval and the road course. But for the sake of NASCAR, we need Restrictor Plate tracks as they are.

OK FOLKS ANSWER ME THIS ...

Doesn't the excitement at the end of the race make up for any type of racing you might not have liked earlier in the race? Here's why I ask. Remember in the spring 2004 Talladega race when Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr. were racing for the lead when a caution came out? NASCAR ruled Gordon led just before the caution, put him in there and couldn't get the race restarted in time (no green-white-checkered then although that was one of the finishes that led to that). Thus, Gordon won. Anyway, the fans went nuts and threw all sorts of trash on to the track as it ended under caution. Yet that was a race that had 54 lead changes. For more than 3 hours, it was back-and-forth racing and pure excitement. Yet, a lot of fans didn't seem to care because they didn't get a race to the finish. Now, I hear a lot of fans upset with the racing earlier in the day even when the finish had two wild crashes (thankfully no one was hurt) and the drama of if Jamie McMurray could hold on to win. So why does the early part of the race matter now when it didn't seem to for fans in 2004?

The end did save it.

But what about the previous 450 miles? The single file line is embarrasing to racing. It gives credence to the "first three quarters dont count" to things like the NBA. Has anyone thought of throwing more compeition cautions? For the specific purpose of bunching the field. Shorten the race by 100 miles, but throw some cautions in the first 300 miles to eliminate the single line via double file restarts. Gives it more of a shootout style. Also, maybe change the 5 points for leading a lap, 5 points for leading most laps to simply 1 point per lap led. It gives a much greater emphasis on the very point of racing, leading, and helps other tracks.

An answer

Because Dale Earnhardt, Jr. wasn't that close to winning the race yesterday? In that 2004 race, wasn't the 8 car up front most of the time? In any case, I would argue that the early part of the race did matter just as much in 2004 -- because it was so exciting throughout, having the race end under caution was such a letdown.

But then this year, you might have had a bunch of changes up front, but then the racing toward the back wasn't as good because there was no tension. How do you quantify the racing in the back? They seemed to have limited opportunities to improve their position by bumping forward, and they were all boxed in. And then at the end, the big crashes happened anyway. Maybe it was similar to all the other races, but perception is reality sometimes.

I would also note that we didn't get a race to the finish yesterday, either. Maybe it was the presentation on tv, but I didn't see the end as exciting or dramatic as other Talladega races in the past (such as the spring race).

Questions/Impossible solutions

Question #1 - Boring because in the first 3/4, there was no racing.

Question #2 - The solution is simple but impossible. NASCAR regulates the racing just like the government regulates all of us. We are told even what to think by making it a crime to admit natural feelings of hate, and even what words (or sounds) we can make. OVER-REGULATION in both scenes!

What would work for me and can never again happen, is to let everyone race what they bring. Like in the old days, use real factory cars and motors. If all the race cars boil down to 426 hemi's then drive one! Don't go whine and cry about how slow the Fords are.

Make it fair? Nonsense. If you cannot afford to race the best, go away and make room for the real cars.

No rules or cautions. When the green falls, race to the checkered and may the best man win. Yes, that would do it for me.

Two ideas

Here are two thoughts:
First, eliminate the restrictor plates. Then eliminate qualifying. Just divide the entry list into thirds and have three 10 lap heat races each with a mandatory 4 tire and fuel pit stop and the top 8 finishers transferring to the main. Then a 20 lap main event, again with a mandatory pit stop, field inverted.
Second, reduce the aerodynamics to slow the cars down. Mount the radiators in front of the front bumper with no sheet metal or bumpers around them, that will slow them down and eliminate bump drafting. Permanently open the roof flaps and eliminate the rear wing. Remove all the glass except the windshield.

STOCK CAR racing

Why don't they do something novel and follow what their name acronym suggests, race STOCK CARS?? Make everyone use a stock block and heads and maybe the crank to limit RPM and make the bodies match the show room version. Ford has a 4.6 liter V-8, GM a 4.8?? Dodge(if they are still invovled) has their 4.7. Who cares if one company makes more power, the others will work harder. Doesn't have to be a V-8, give lower displacements a weight break. Let these guys have some sort of real tire, not the archaic 15 inch rim stuff that hasn't hardly been used in 10 years or more. That way that can get some decent brakes to make the short track and road courses more about racing and less about conservation. Oh yeah, bring back more short tracks and dump these 1.5 mile michigan/charlotte clones.
With the current course of action, why don't they put the new auto-sensing cruise control and adaptive braking on the cars and just let the drivers steer. Talledega/Daytona is certainly not a race anymore...

Knock down turns 1 and 2 at

Knock down turns 1 and 2 at Daytona and Talladega – replace them with turns similar to 3 and 4 at Indy.
Take them back to 350cid with zero over tolerance
Remove restrictor plates
green white checkered – everyone 2 or more laps down off the track.
Note: I had to stop watching after Newman got out. That whole race was as about as stupid as the chase is fabricated.

Smaller engines, more weight

Adding 500 pounds to the cars would slow them down, probably enough to take off the plates. The problem with that solution is that Goodyear would take 2-3 years to develop a tire! I bet Hoosier would get one out next weeek.

I think the long term solution is to reduce engine size. With a smaller engine size, weight could be altered, based on the track size. Today's weight on the superspeedways, but lighter on the smaller tracks. The engine would also take a couple years to develop, and cost a lot of money.

It also looks like the roof flaps aren't doing as good a job as they used to do. That may be because of the wing. Nascar needs to look at that again - warm up the lear jet at Darlington again!

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