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Beach officials weigh prospect of charging for garbage pickup

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VIRGINIA BEACH

Want to make Mayor Will Sessoms squirm? Ask him about the possibility of a new citywide trash fee.

"What trash fee?" he likes to joke.

But with the city facing a $41 million budget shortfall, charging homeowners for garbage pickup is a seductive option.

Virginia Beach and Suffolk are the only cities in South Hampton Roads without a separate trash collection fee.

Creating a new $8 monthly fee is an especially sensitive topic at City Hall because of the depressed economy, which has reduced property values, tourism spending and jobs.

Behind the scenes, officials have outlined one approach designed to save city jobs, according to staff e-mails obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

Under an e-mail string with the subject heading "Restoring Positions with Waste Management Fee," budget officials discussed how the trash fee could "buy back" eliminated positions.

"That concept has been bandied about at the staff level, but so has a lot of other stuff," said Catheryn Whitesell, budget director. "I can tell you that none of that discussion is happening at the city manager level, that I'm aware of. Not to say it won't, but it hasn't happened as part of the budget process."

The city is contemplating layoffs for the first time in years. Some employees have been notified that they might lose their jobs. City officials have declined to say how many.

The average cost of a city employee, including benefits, is $65,112. For instance, an $8 monthly trash fee could pay for about 175 jobs.

The minimum charge officials are floating is $96 a year, which could start as early as July. That would raise almost $12 million annually. The city's trash and recycling program costs $31 million, which to fully fund would cost home-owners $21.40 a month.

City officials are researching the technical issues of adding the fee to the existing water, sewer and stormwater bill.

Another argument for a fee is that because apartment building and condominium owners, who pay real estate taxes, do not get city trash service, providing free city service to other property owners is unfair.

The groundwork for this position was laid in July when city officials cut off trash service to some condo and apartment complexes that had inadvertently been getting it.

A third argument is that uncertainty about the future of the Southeastern Public Service Authority, which handles most of the region's trash, may force the city to think about expanding its own landfill. Doing this would cost money, which could be raised with a trash fee.

"It's wise for us to start thinking about having options," Vice Mayor Louis Jones said.

But Jones, like many City Council members, including Sessoms, said it's too early in the budget process to take a position on a trash fee. City Manager Jim Spore will present his proposed budget in March.

Councilman Bill DeSteph said he's "100 percent against" it.

"The added fee is just crazy," he said.

Councilman Bob Dyer said, "Whether it's a garbage fee or raising the tax rate, we have to be real careful in this economy not to bankrupt citizens."

Raising real estate taxes to offset falling property values is another option the City Council has discussed to close the budget gap.

Some said that might be preferable to a garbage fee because a tax rate increase can be rescinded if the economy improves.

"Once they institute a fee, it will never go away. It will only go up," said Sam Reid, president of the Council of Civic Organizations, who said he was not speaking on behalf of the group.

Also, while real estate taxes are tax-deductible, trash bills are not, Reid said.

"If there's going to be an increase," he said, "it should be in the real estate tax, because you can write it off for federal taxes."

 

Aaron Applegate, (757) 222-5122, aaron.applegate@pilotonline.com

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Important Issue

Actually, the issue of incentives to stimulate economic development has gotten out of hand, yet we just elected a new Governor in Virginia who while stridently anti tax, has pledged to be the Jobs Governor, and will undoubtedly use incentives to lure companies to Virginia. Virginia has been among the most conservative in regard to the use of incentives, and frankly, I support that policy. Regretfully, with other states paying billions of dollars to lure major industries, with little evidence of payback, it has gotten out of hand. Yet where perhaps we have a different opinion is that for the most part, the incentives used by area cities to spur the increases in the commercial tax base have been measured, the impact is verifiable, and clawback provisions are included if the private investment does not materialize. For example, at the Beach, the fiscal impact of the TIFs and the 31st Street Hilton have worked exactly as planned, and have reduced our tax rate. Good policy.

Ill informed??? Parish the thought Mike.

So that's the clinching argument huh Mike? The VBTA and 16% of the vote. What no anti tax zealots this time? You can't do better than that to make your case? The real disaster for public policy is the continuous gimme money for developers. The disinformation is that the municipal corporation IS suffering greatly, not "would be" because of their public policy and they are spending money on Wells Fargo developer gimmes and going broke because they can't or wont pay the bills for the true functions of government. They'll just create a new tax on oxygen to make up the difference because the Mike Barretts of the commonwealth along with the help of the HR weenies, can't make a profit without taxpayer subsidies and giveaways. This will probably be the case with light rail now because HRT has mismanaged the project and along with the trash tax, there will probably be a proposal to tax sun light to balance the VB budget and bail out the steel elephant. But I'm sure, as usual, you find a way to turn these taxes and fees into a rainbow of prosperity for all of us.

But he won on Pilot on Line!

Ah yes, another majority of the ill informed. Keith and ALS make the case for a republic, showing that direct democracy would be an absolute disaster as public policy would then be made by emotion, disinformation, and lack of long term vision. But here, on Pilot on Line, they get to join the majority by voting thumbs up or thumbs down. Doesn't it feel great! But of course, their majortiy view does make make it right, and there is the rub. Follow their recommendations, and the municipal corporation would suffer greatly. Fortunately, the voters actually know that, and when the VBTA put up their President as a candidate, and he showed the true colors of the organization, and explained very carefully what he would do if he were elected Mayor, the voters sent a message back; less than 16% of the vote. But he won on Pilot on Line!

Your always on target Keith

Sheer arrogance & his proverbial spin is not a good combo! Keith, you always manage to be on target & appreciate the logic.

Happy holiday
BestR Al

Al, you should know by now

Al, you should know by now that Mr. Barrett cherry picks the topics and is a master of spin in his response. This man has an amazing talent to turn a 5 cents increase in the real estate tax as well as a 50 cents increase in the gas tax into something majestic as well as revenue neutral, virtually painless to those who are about to lose their homes, and those who struggle to pay the taxes they are liable for anyway. He doesn't care if someone like me loses their job due to lay-off, but let someone in the city government suffer the indignity of losing their job, then, in his opinion, you have the sky falling. Then it is the 16% of the vote and any other adjective he uses in from of zealot. But let not your heart be troubled. Most folks on this blog don't believe that developer horse squeeze anyway. And the way city council budgets are going deeper in the hole are a result of this "public investment" subsidizing these private developers. Norfolk is an especially good example with all the freebies to Wells Fargo they have shelled out.

Enlighten us Mike

Perhaps you can share the annual assessment growth of the new TIF properties built in phase one, phase two & phase three? Lets take the Town Bank. How much assessment growth has occurred each year since the bank opened its doors? Incidentally, you are clearly the most uninformed critic in VB. The real estate tax base is 85.1% vs 14.9% . I hardly call that an increase of commercial values. Of course I do not expect a commercial entity to grow because their assessments are properly linked to income. I don't know a soul opposed to commercial growth, particularly, where they play by the rules in a free open market. Sadly, you seem to a champion of subsidizing one commercial entity over another. Working for a developer you would think that you might appreciate the importance of treating all competitors equally. You clearly do not support the importance of sustaining a level playing field for all taxpayers. By the way, thus far not a single one of the residential 987 neighborhoods has received curb to curb repaving or strategic revitalization other than one linked to the oceanfront!

Wailing and self flaggelation

Well Al, sorry to get under your skin, but if it makes you think, that is fine. I know it is the policy of you and the VBTA to tell us all that the sky is falling, and in the last year, there have been some tough issues, but we are doing just fine. Residential assessments are declining in accord with the market, but increased assessments for commercial property have propped up overall value so that the net effect is quite manageable and reasonable. The City does need to replace aging water and sewer lines and repair the streets, and if new private projects then materialize, I think that is great! I am surprised that you would condemn private investment that increases the commercial tax base, but then again, I know you guys in the VBTA hate good news. The recent analysis that showed the positive fiscal benefits of the TIF districts must have caused much wailing and self flaggelation. Too bad they are so successful.

Your snapshot of events is as flawed as your convoluted logic

You must think your rediculous convoluted comments will get traction with Pilot readers. Fortunately, they are much too smart to buy into your illogical rants. Your a tragic spin machine in perpetual motion and clearly an outside man for those who seek a free ride. As expected you never responded to the $3 billion debt service fiasco that is underwritten by residents on behalf of special interest. Even the 34% deficit noted by Forbes plaguing VB home buyers in 2007 & 2008 was typically swept aside. Let me share with you my personal thoughts on your fascination with supporting subsidies that are not in the public interest. You know like funding a sewage plant or projects that benefit all the Citizens in VB. Its a non starter to invest a penny to a special interest initiative who subsequently does not contribute 100% of its taxable revenues to the General Fund. The relentless subsidies to special interests is what has created the shortfall to tax burdened residents.. So far well over a billion dollars of taxable revenues have been siphoned out of the general fund just in this decade. You need to stop fronting these handouts.

No surprise

Thanks Al for acknowledging that average assessments are moving downward, which is exactly what the statute says it should do with no help or influence from appointed assessors. As a result of this market adjustment, if Council wishes to collect the same amount of real estate tax revenue, they can raise the rate slightly. In other words, the system will work just as it should. No need for typical VBTA inspired hysteria nor theatrics. But of course, normality is your worst enemy, so if there is not a fiscal crisis, you will do your best to create one so we can pursue the same zany ideas put forth is the infamous white paper which advised candidate John Moss how he could save money. Remember? Fire all city and school blue collar workers and replace them with contractors. Make the users of museums, libraries, recreation centers, parks, etc. pay the full cost of these facilities. Withdraw from all regional entities. He got less than 16% of the vote; no surprise.

Mike, unfortunately you have a short memory

Remember a few months ago you reminded folks who got clobbered that their tax burden would be mitigated with reductions in their assessments since commercial values were purportedly soaring. . Now the City is attempting to launch its 3 card monte scheme of revenue neutral in order to avoid reducing the inflated tax burden by just 5% & low and behold you now endorse that as well. This is after a Forbes report declared that 34% of VB home buyers in 2007 & 2008 had negative equity. VB was ranked first in the nation & mind you not a word from your colleagues. You probably also did not read that the VB MSA was ranked 85th under home affordability and a dismal 90th under home price forecast rank. . Yup, the assessor sets the assessed value and the council is supposed to adjust the tax rate based on comps. If you looked at the sales comps for this and previous years you would conclude that the real estate tax rate has to come down significantly. Your pals would like to raise the tax rate by 4.2 cents and continue subsidizing special interests. You need to stop using your own facts!

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