The Virginian-Pilot
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VIRGINIA BEACH
A sometimes angry, sometimes resigned City Council was split Tuesday on a request from new Hampton Roads Transit chief Philip Shucet for about $245,000 to finish a now-delayed light-rail feasibility study for the city.
The council previously thought HRT would pay for the study, now estimated to cost $6.6 million, without city money.
Two council members said they won't support giving HRT money, four said they reluctantly would, and four said they needed time to digest the news. HRT is asking for a decision at the Feb. 23 City Council meeting.
The city money, which Shucet called "critical," is needed to match part of a $1.2 million federal grant that would keep the study going. Without it, the study would come to a halt, possibly ending the quest for light rail in the Beach.
Some council members said that was too great a risk to take.
"I'm not at all happy with having to come up with $245,000," Councilman and HRT board member John Uhrin said, "but I still believe that the results of the study are important for the city."
Mayor Will Sessoms and Councilmen Glenn Davis and Jim Wood, chair of the HRT board, agreed.
Bob Dyer and Bill DeSteph said they won't support giving city money. Dyer called for the whole project to be delayed because of the bad economy.
Harry Diezel, Barbara Henley, Louis Jones and Rosemary Wilson said they need more time to decide.
"This is a lot of change for us to assimilate," Henley said. "We've been telling the public that the city wouldn't have to pay. All of this has now changed."
The HRT study is looking at extending the Norfolk Tide line to the Oceanfront. The city has a deal with Norfolk Southern Corp. to buy a 10.6-mile right-of-way for $40 million.
City Manager Jim Spore said the city could use $244,800 from its contingency fund for the study.
Some council members indirectly criticized departed HRT chief Michael Townes, who they said told them HRT would not need city money for the study. Shucet replaced Townes. Council members also wanted to know how the project cost climbed from $4.3 million to $6.6 million and why they weren't told.
Shucet said the $4.3 million represented only the consultant's cost.
"What you apparently were not given was project management, legal services, ridership studies," and several other costs, Shucet said.
So far, about $1.5 million has been spent on the study, money that is almost gone, he said. If the City Council approves the money, HRT could access the federal grant in April.
The study is now estimated to be finished between August and December 2011. The previous finish date was late 2010.
Shucet also faced questions about how HRT will come up with the $5 million the agency pledged to help buy the railroad right of way.
"We will keep our commitment," he said. "I wish I could tell you with specificity how, but we will keep it."
Aaron Applegate, (757) 222-5122, aaron.applegate@pilotonline.com

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hmmmm keeping property taxes low eh?
Virginia Beach officials look at property tax hike
Posted to: News Virginia Beach
By Aaron Applegate
The Virginian-Pilot
© August 4, 2009
VIRGINIA BEACH
Mayor Will Sessoms and Vice Mayor Louis Jones on Monday floated the idea of raising taxes next year to pay for several large projects, including a new animal shelter and a Bayside recreation center.
"Bottom line: This could result in a tax increase," Sessoms said during a break at the annual City Council retreat.
Old news made new.
6 million dollars for a study that will be nothing more than a warmed up version of the one done ten years ago. Here's the results of 15 minutes of work using data from the previous study done in 1999. Total cost including over runs: 855 million, not counting the money needed for expanded feeder bus service. Add in 600 mil for that. LRT Operating cost: 50 million minimum. Ridership: 20k per day if there are buses instead of park and rides. Those who will claim these are fantasy numbers need look no farther than the Norfolk EIS on HRT's website, or read the VP. Now that was real fantasy.
Bid
Was this study put out to bid first? Did the City issue a Purchase Order for it? If the answers are NO, then we should not be paying for something we didn't order.
What about north - south movement ?
While LRT might reduce some vehicle traffic on the I 264 corridor ( very little I believe ) one question I have not seen addressed is the traffic interruption LRT would cause as it goes across the various crossings assuming they are not elevated. At intersections such as Witchduck, Independence and Lynnhaven this thing might cause more disruption than good. I have seen no discussion of elevated crossings.
Actually, the plan is that
Actually, the plan is that most would be elevated to go over the roadway.
listen to what "bailout" mike has to say
How can you doubt a guy who gets a $135k bailout and who gave us that highly successful Sportsplex. Everyone remember how big major league soccer was gonna be? If you elevate LRT at every major intersection it will be a $3-4 BILLION project. It is so easy when you advocate spending other peoples money (OPM). Look how the Norfolk taxpayers are on the hook for their boondogle. Wil "Champagne" Sessoms will be buying champagne by the rail car after he gives that check to Norfolk Southern for $40 mil of our tax dollars for an abandoned rail line that nobody wants. Light Rail Equals Heavy Taxes.
You have under-estimated our
You have under-estimated our Mr. Barrett. Our esteemed developer has a masters degree when it comes to spin. He has the uncanny talent of turning the concept of a real estate tax increase (say 5 cents increase to the current rate) on VB citizens into something truly majestic. This, VB citizens, is how light rail will be paid for and for funding its operation. All for the benefit of a very few tourists and most importantly, the availability for Runnymeade to make a fortune in developement along the corridor. Us VB peasants will be the ones giving the $135,000 or more economic developement grants while at the same time will be struggling to avoid foreclosure and bankruptsy. This is how you the taxpayer will continue to suffer from checkbook deficit disorder and eventually expire from bank account liposuction.
Excuse me?
What plan?
Have you seen a plan?
If there is a plan, why are we paying $6 million for a study if the plan is already done?
it's not being elevated
in downtown Norfolk in front of the courthouse/jail area - going right through there, and street level - will tie up traffic even worse than it is now.
I'll vote for Goofy
So in other words, it will be like Disney's monorail. Only difference is that the monorail will have passengers.