Carrier fight moves to halls of Congress

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It's more than disconcerting to hear a Hampton Roads congressman's assessment that losing an aircraft carrier to Florida is inevitable. Unless we "get a break," U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes said, Florida has the momentum and the political pull to shift a Norfolk-based nuclear carrier to Mayport Naval Station in 2015.

Forbes also said he'd fight like crazy to keep that from happening. But the push in Washington and at the Pentagon seems to be headed south.

Moving a carrier to Mayport would be illogical and unnecessarily expensive. But if we're relying on a break, not sound reasoning and fiscal responsibility, to keep our strong military presence in Hampton Roads, we might as well prepare to say goodbye to the 6,000 jobs and $425 million in annual income that a carrier carries with it.

In fact, if we're conceding that loss, we might prepare ourselves for worse. The Department of Defense is unlikely to spend $1 billion readying Mayport for just one nuclear carrier; it could send two or three.

The economic effect of losing one is sobering enough - similar to losing the families and neighborhoods associated with two public high schools. But multiply that by three. It's the equivalent of Northrop Grumman shuttering operations in Hampton Roads. Or all at once losing the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Stihl Inc., Amerigroup Corp., Farm Fresh, Dollar Tree and the USJFCOM/JWFC Training, Analysis & Simulation Center in Suffolk.

Beyond the economic impact, and more important, is what this would do to a culture that revolves around the military. Kids would lose their Little League coaches. Churches would lose leaders. We'd all lose neighbors and friends.

We'd have no need to expand the tunnels or construct a transit system, no reason to build more houses or schools, no worries about waiting in line at restaurants or theaters. Businesses of all kinds would suffer. The ripples would be far worse than anything we've seen in this recession. It would, according to optimistic estimates, take a decade or more to recover.

Despite the Quadrennial Defense Review's recommendation to move a carrier to Florida, the case for keeping it in Norfolk remains strong. Unlike May-port, Hampton Roads doesn't need to spend $76 million to improve wharves or dredge a river to accommodate a nuclear carrier. It doesn't need to spend more than half a billion dollars setting up a new base.

Florida's only advantage is political. It has more votes than Virginia and a congressional delegation more united in the mission. Florida's leaders have been working for years, and spending millions, to siphon military assets of any kind from any state that has them. The state is closer than ever to winning.

The Defense review declared that moving a carrier to May-port would "mitigate the risk of a terrorist attack, accident or natural disaster," but it failed to say why Norfolk is at greater risk than other ports - and why a carrier would be safer in Jacksonville, where the chance of severe storms is much greater.

Carriers, also based in Washington and California, are spending more time at sea, so the chances of having the East Coast fleet in Hampton Roads at the same time are increasingly unlikely.

Congress is considering the Defense Department's $708 billion budget request. While there's one minute to make the case for fiscal responsibility, while one congressman remains uncertain, our senators and representatives cannot stop fighting to keep the carriers here.

It will take the kind of unified effort that has been in short supply in Washington, a test not of party but of legislative mettle and influence. Failure will have consequences.

Hampton Roads' business leaders, its tourism officials, university presidents and military brass must join them in making Washington understand that a move to Mayport is perhaps justified by politics, but not by reality.

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Reality

The reality is there are multiple ports on west coast, the reality should be multiple ports on the east coast - for all the reasons posted here. This is a security issue for our entire nation. The reason all these assets have been in one area for so long is surerly political. And maybe the Navy is tired of Va. Beach telling them how to run their MJB. Oceana is just a facade, it is not functioning as a MJB.
Taxpayers are not getting what they are paying for.
Too many carrier in one place, too many jets in one place. Time to spread them out.

Refuted Arguments

You're repeating the same refuted arguments.

The a/c carriers are not "concentrated" at Hampton Roads, as each ship spends most of its time away from the port. Warships are not built to sit tied to a home pier, and they certainly will not be there during times of high risk.

Why Hampton Roads? It is the largest and finest natural harbor in the world, with vast amounts of deep water that will accomodate the largest ships in the world. (Except supertankers which are so large and draw so much water that in most places they 'dock' off a coast at sea).

Hampton Roads is by far the largest and finest natural harbor in the eastern U.S., always has been since colonial times, and that is why there are so many civil and military ports here. The area of water upstream of the HRBT that is 40+ feet deep is measured in square miles.

Carriers

<<< Carriers are the only East coast asset congregated in one place. >>>

That's baloney any way you slice it.

Fleet aircraft carriers spend most of their time on deployment, i.e. at sea or in foreign navy ports.

It is rare for more than two carriers to be at Navy Base Norfolk at one time. In times of trouble all could be sent out to sea.

Let me expand

Norfolk is the only port with nuclear carrier support capability on the east coast. Trouble could occur without prior warning, thus the term "sneak attack". It would not take much to bottle up the channel, confining any carriers in port to the port. Any carrier at sea would have to transit to the west coast for service. Our military people try to take into account any contingency, and are not concerned with the financial effect of their movements. That is left up to the politicians.

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on the jets. Of course, if the Navy really wants the land around the Master Jet Base or Fentress they can always use eminent domain as they plan on doing to the 5 rural communities targeted for the OLF. Let me stop, as I have enough info to write a book on the inequities the Navy has put upon the citizens opposing the OLF. Maybe the Navy will rethink their wants, if the carrier(s) leave, eventually so will some squadrons.

Greed, money is the only concern of Hampton Roads

If Hampton Roads really cared about the military assets they have, they should have done a better job of protecting it from encroachment. There is all this innuendo being spread around that if the Navy doesn't get an OLF they will lose Oceana. If the politicians that represent Hampton Roads really wanted to beef up efforts to support the master jet base this would be the time to step up to the plate and beg for the OLF to support Oceana rather than trying to ship the negatives of the master jet base to rural communities in NC & VA. There are numerous underused military fields throughout the commonwealth that could accommodate or share space for an OLF. Better yet, let the Navy buy the "inter-traffic facility area" that the cities are trying to develop. The only siting fault is population density, why is that a problem when it is rampart all over Hampton Roads military installations?
Save taxpayer dollars, stop spending money for bogus studies, the surrounding land would already be buffer zones so no added expense there either, and is already restricted airspace. It would certainly save federal dollars to be so close between Oceana and Fentress to save on fuel and wear & tear on

How about killing the

How about killing the arguement until there is money available to make this possible. Doing this would divert funds from something else. There was an awful lot of boo hooing about the governor's cuts. This is probably not the time to make this happen.

Disperse ALL assets, not just the carriers

Unless the carriers take some jets with them, and some of the others assets, the carrier move is a pork barrel project All the Pearl Harbor arguments are the same for the jets and the other ships.

Dispersal

Carriers are the only East coast asset congregated in one place. Other ships are up and down the coast, aircraft are not limited to one field, Naval Aircraft can be serviced at AF bases and Vice-versa. Dredging in Mayport would be limited to one berth which was deep enough for a conventional carrier, but somewhat shallow for a nuclear carrier, and the channel access. And, as has been said, a nuclear carrier reassignment to Mayport would replace the retired JFK there.
West coast ports can include Bremerton, San Diego, Long Beach, and Alameda could be reopened in an emergency.

carriers are not the only east coast asset in one place

the east coast carrier based fighter/bomber squadrons are mostly homeported at Oceana. Take out Oceana and those carriers are useless. Currently, MCAS Beaufort has 2 squadrons of carrier based F/A-18C/D. Those squadrons represent the dispersal of assets for squadrons. The Navy made a decision to place all of their new Super Hornets (except 2 for Cherry Point) squadrons at Oceana along with the training squadrons that support these. If anything needs dispersing, it is the squadrons of Oceana. Throw in the inability of the VB LG to support the training mission at that field, and this should be a no brainer move. The Navy, Congress and DOD have all indicated, or flat out stated Oceana is terrible, failing our pilots, and should be abandoned. So when is the Navy going to do that? When is the Navy going to make the military decision to disperse those planes so they do get the training they need as well as remove the "all in one basket" scenario that is a military concern? The JSF NEPA process will bring this out, if Congress would require the Navy to propose where it wishes to home base its latest fighter/bomber aircraft.

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