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Dwindling funding may mean bigger class sizes

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NORFOLK

If there's one thing school parents deplore, it's bigger class sizes - and there's a strong chance that's what they'll get in South Hampton Roads as school leaders grapple with huge proposed funding cuts.

In a Jan. 20 memo, Norfolk Superintendent Stephen Jones said larger classes were among "unpalatable" options he would consider to offset a projected $40 million shortfall in the next school year.

Portsmouth Superintendent David Stuckwisch said increasing the division's student-teacher ratio will happen if teachers have to be laid off.

So far, Suffolk's proposed school budget leaves classes unchanged, but bigger classes could happen, officials said, depending on how much state aid the division gets. In Virginia Beach, bigger classes and other cost-cutting measures are still being weighed.

Even state leaders and superintendents across the country are thinking about resizing classes as a way to help cut costs, said Dan Domenech, executive director of the American Association of School Administrators.

Del. Bob Tata, R-Virginia Beach, said giving divisions the authority to add a couple of students to their classrooms is being reviewed by the House Appropriations Committee. Tata chairs the House Education Committee and the Appropriations' education subcommittee.

Currently, school divisions must adhere to class-size limits and student-to-teacher ratios set by the state.

For example, in grades four through six, an individual class can have as many as 35 students per teacher - but division wide, the average class size for those grades is capped at 25-to-1.

Because Norfolk is among divisions that have smaller classes in some grades, it already can increase its class sizes, so long as the state limit is not exceeded.

For instance, because Norfolk has 22 students per teacher in grades four and five, it could expand those classes without exceeding the current state ceiling.

School Board Chairman Stephen Tonelson said his "gut" speculation is that classes will grow by one or two students.

Classes with more than 30 students are predictably problematic for teachers, Domenech said. "You have so many students, it becomes difficult for the teacher to provide services."

Short of that figure, defining the ideal class size in K through 12 seems a matter of experience and opinion.

The folk wisdom among many parents is that smaller classes make teaching more effective and enhance learning.

"I think class size makes a huge difference," said Cynthia Jones, whose sons attend second and third grade at Granby Elementary. Like many parents, she believes that children get more attention from teachers and have fewer distractions in smaller classes.

"They have that personal connection, and if you have one or two who are struggling," a teacher can talk with them, Jones said.

Younger children, she said, also "need a lot more personal attention, and if they don't get it, parents may say, 'Well, do I really want to send my child there?' "

At Tarrallton Elementary School, PTA Treasurer Peggy Scott said bigger classes raise the question of crowd control.

"Some teachers can take larger class sizes and still maintain complete control and teach everybody, whereas some teachers, you give them the few extra students and they don't have the ability to adapt," Scott said.

At P.B. Young Sr. Elementary School, Principal Alana Balthazar said the magic ingredient in effective education is the teacher, not the class size.

"I've seen teachers that can hold it down with 50 kids. It's not about quantity but quality," Balthazar said.

Teacher training and support staff supplied by the division equip teachers to work with various class sizes.

But Marian Flickinger, president of the Norfolk Federation of Teachers, said it's elementary that expanding class sizes increases teachers' workload.

"You've got more children who need your attention and no increase in time," said Flickinger, a former teacher.

John Nunnery, an education scholar at Old Dominion University, said "incontrovertible" evidence shows that large cuts in class sizes - going from, say, 25 to 15 students - benefit student achievement.

But the same isn't true for smaller changes.

"You can make some marginal adjustments up or down in class size and not have a big effect," Nunnery said.

Expanding class sizes may end up being one of the least painful choices facing Norfolk and other division schools.

"As we look at a $40 million potential budget cut, the effect of adding a person to a class will not be as significant as some other things that could be on the table," Tonelson said.

 

 

Pilot writers Cheryl Ross, Lauren Roth, Hattie Brown Garrow and Vicki Friedman contributed to this report.

Steven G. Vegh, (757) 446-2417, steven.vegh@pilotonline.com

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How much do we pay our

How much do we pay our superintendants? How many vice superintendants do we have How many people work in the administrative offices. We have to many of each. and we still have to have substitute teachers. A college degree does not make you a teacher.

Don't blame the teachers.

I'd put over 70% of the teachers at exceptional and I'll leave the rest for you to figure. I'd bet your work place is no where near that good. The problems we are having has been a long time coming. We have allowed our seats of public trust to be monopolized by greedy self involved people that are want the positions to better their pocketbooks and pick the pockets of the citizens. Overpaid government officials, overpaid administrators, abuse of tax dollars, use of public funds to pay for public/private projects and programs that would be paid for privately if they were worth while and viable. It's time to get rid of the career politicians with the mindset that they can use our tax dollars to buy votes to stay in office so they can continue to use our tax dollars to pad their pockets. It's time to get back to citizen politicians the way our forefathers intended our government to be. It's not a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. Our tax dollars are being spent on programs and projects that should not be publicly funded. The big question now is, have we had enough? Or are we going to continue to re-elect the same people that got us here?

lies and d**** lies

Teachers in Hampton Roads are not under paid. They are paid $10,000 - $15,000 over the per capita income for this area. That is just the base salary, that does not include health and retirement benefits.

This is not about increasing or decreasing taxes. It is about the people getting what they pay for and not wasting precious resources on useless bureaucrats.

how about real investment

I see a lot of these comments are only about bashing teacher unions. These are the same people who claim all we need to fix our problems are "faith" and "freedom". It takes real investment and parents, teachers, and administrators working together.

How can you have a real union without bargaining rights?

Me thinks it mighty funny that the Pilot will not let through any posts which dispel the myth of public sector unions in Virginia. They don't exist. They are nothing more than associations like the Fraternal Order of Police because they do not have collective bargaining rights. Collective bargaining rights are denied to public sector workers by state law. That is why teachers, police officers, fire fighters, and all other public sector workers are so under paid in Virginia.

Doesn't stop them from

Doesn't stop them from lobbying

No comparison

There is no comparison between lobbying and a signed collective bargaining agreement. One is a negotiated contract and is enforced by law. The other is a form of influence buying and Teachers associations don't have the kind of cash to compete with other corporate interests. Everything in this country can be traced back to money, including vouchers. It isn't about the education of children, it is about making money. Vouchers are another business scam being sold to the taxpayers.

CENTRAL OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE IMMUNE FROM CUTS

Many of the higher salaries are in Central Office. In addition to all the other cuts, the need to cut positions and salaries in Central Office. There needs to be more transparency on how they are spending money. These "professional development" "conferences" (which are really nothing more than mini-getaway vacations for specialists and their chosen few) are just one more expense that the school district must stop. If the students and teachers have to sacrifice, then so too Central Office. Again, investigate! Look at how many trips various specialists have taken with school district/taxpayer money these past five years. It's outrageous and I know the public would be OUTRAGED if they knew. I challenge the Virginian Pilot to investigate.

Not about blame

The issue at hand is not about pointing fingers and blaming unions, central administration or others. The hard and indisputable fact is that state and local revenues for K-12 public education will be further reduced in the upcoming fiscal year. As a result, another indisputable fact is that expenses must be reduced to balance the budget. Since about 85% of a school district's budget is tied to personnel, cuts of this magnitude must come from staff. Since most of the personnel costs are in teachers, the unfortunate outcome is that many districts will be forced to look here for the majority of the reductions. Increased class size is the likely result. The elimination of speciality programs and reductions in transportation and maintenance are also probable. The important issue is for school boards, superintendents, teacher organizations and parents to communicate throughout this painful process. Saying it cannot be done is a non-starter. It must be done but any actions taken must focus on the impact on children.

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