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Fed-up Chic's Beach residents block restaurant's expansion

Posted to: News Virginia Beach

By Jaedda Armstrong

VIRGINIA BEACH

Ever since the Green Parrot Grille opened a few feet away from residents on Lookout Road, homeowners say it has created all sorts of problems.

Matt Froehler and his wife are awakened once a month by bar fights that pour from the restaurant into the street. Charles Coombe often catches people urinating between his neighbors' vehicles. Landlord Judy Johnson complains that patrons often park in her tenants' spaces. David Huls and his wife once slept in their living room for nearly a year to escape the loud music they hear through their bedroom window.

That's why when restaurant owner Laurie Richards went before City Council last week hoping to get approval for an outdoor dining area, the Chic's Beach residents weren't having it.

Nearly 30 residents showed up Tuesday night to tell the council that they fear an outdoor area would triple the noise and further promote offensive behavior already stemming from the restaurant.

After hearing a handful of complaints from residents, the council decided to deny Richards' request. Richards, who also lives on Lookout Road, was advised to consider other options and work out existing issues with residents.

The Chic's Beach neighborhood, a mixture of beach cottages, condominiums, duplexes and single-family homes, is located on a stretch of beach east of the Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek-Fort Story and north of Shore Drive. The family beach atmosphere is what many residents say attracted them to the area.

Several residents said they've tried to come up with a compromise with the restaurant owner, but their concerns continue to be ignored.

Coombe, who has lived in the neighborhood for 13 years, said he wants the restaurant to quit playing music and stop serving alcoholic beverages after 10 p.m. If they stopped serving alcohol so late, he said, his neighbors wouldn't find intoxicated people in ditches at sunrise.

"Before the restaurant opened, we explained to Laurie what we didn't want," he said. Coombe said that at the neighborhood's civic league meeting, Richards said the restaurant would close at midnight, there would be no amplified music and ample parking for everyone.

None of it happened, he said.

"I'm retired, and I'm just trying to relax and enjoy life here," said Coombe, 59, who lives two homes away from the restaurant.

Green Parrot Grille, a small yellow, green and red building, sits about 8 feet away from the nearest house. It opened in 2006 and operates out of the building that was home to Frankies, a restaurant that was open for nearly 55 years before it shut down in 2005.

For long time resident Catherine Girard, the problem is not the restaurant. It's the entertainment. The 89-year-old said when she takes out her hearing aids, she still hears the bands playing, which often keeps her awake at nights.

"It's a touchy subject to talk about with the residents," Richards said in response to the complaints. "They are an older crowd, and they are not open to change."

Neighbors say Frankies had a community-friendly atmosphere, not the bar scene that Richards' establishment has brought to the area.

Richards admits allowing amplified music in violation of her Alcohol Beverage Control license. She denies the fights and drunken people from her restaurant wandering in the streets. She said her patrons create "no trouble."

Since November, she said, she has taken the neighbors' issues into consideration by only playing acoustic music on the weekends and hiring a security staff to regulate patrons and parking issues. She said these changes are all permanent.

She's done what she can "to try and please them, but I can't please everyone," Richards said. "I wish I could. I mean, this is my community, too."

Neighbors said the noise and traffic have been reduced. However, they said when the weather warms, they expect it to be back to normal, or worse.

"No one wants a small business to fail during a recession," said Johnson, the landlord, who rents out three duplexes in the neighborhood.

She said she's having trouble renting out the one next door to the Green Parrot. She blames that on the noise and patrons.

"Maybe they can just relocate," Johnson said. "A place like that belongs on the Oceanfront or Shore Drive."

Jaedda Armstrong, (757) 222-5846, jaedda.armstrong@pilotonline.com

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From a local

I live in the neighborhood and no longer go there. I'm not sure if I'm considered part of the "older crowd" as the owner politely put it. I'm younger than she at a spry 41. I like going out just like anyone else. Do I want this place in my neighborhood? No. We had Nikos(sp) some 20 years ago were Zia's now sits. What an improvement! Then Chic's Cafe took over as the nuisance. That went away and another great improvement with HK. Now we have the Green Parrot. Notice the trend. Try driving by the place without having a vehicle back out into yours, or have someone stumble out in traffic. It's great to see the smokers greeting you at the front door and then flick their butts out in the street. Classy. Oh yea, the owner mentions this is her community as well. Lucky for her she lives far enough away from the bar. My friends and I love walking to HK and Zia's. It is awesome having someplace to walk to and not drive home. Green Parrot, no thanks. Maybe we'll get an upgrade there some day. As the trend goes, another dive will appear somewhere.

I don't understand

where the so called "problem" lies. I have frequented this establishment on more than a few occasions, and have never witnessed the rowdy and raucous behavior that has been mentioned. And why is the Green Parrot the only establishment before city council and the article? There are 2 other Bar/Restaurants within close proximity, however they are not mentioned or considered. Makes me wonder if this is truly about the neighborhood or more about personal agendas. Whenever you serve alcoholic beverages, there will always be a chance for undesirable behavior, but to assume that is always the case is just that, an assumption. And we all know what happens when you assume....

I have a suggestion, have

I have a suggestion, have all those who attended the city meeting in opposition to this business divide all of the sales taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, licenses....that were paid by this business and pay them themselves. Let's see if they change their "tune".

So if you generate enough tax revenue

you can disrupt a quiet residential neighborhood and keep people from sleeping and enjoying peaceful use of their homes?

Think of all the property taxes being affected around the area, in addition to disrupting peoples' lives.

Sorry, but I know money talks in this country, but I think it should keep quiet here.

Correction. . .

. . Those two derelicts depicted in the photo kind of sum up the ambiance of the place. Property tax paying people shouldn't have to be bothered by noise at night when trying to unwind.

To Davidj37901:

David, please, at your earliest convienence, call the NSA, CIA or FBI!

Your astute visual skills need to be tapped into. We could use you at the airports to locate underwear bombers, muslim fanatics, and other "derelicts" here at home!

Why...it staggers the imagination..you could be the one human to look at a politician and to tell if he/she is "derelict" in the duties they perform!

Please make a call to any of the orginizations I've listed! If you are unsure, drive over to Portsmouth and follow an african american woman who has been known to masquerade as a state senator, or drive over to the City of Virginia Beach offices and see if you can tell who the "derelicts" are posing as public servants!
You have a God given, evangelical gift my friend!
You can do it!!

green parrot

One of those fellows in the picture is my son....and I can tell you he is not a derelict. He was there having a drink and listening to his friend's music set after a hard days work. So just remember its not nice to judge others when you don't know what the heck you're talking about......if you have a problem with this establishment....don't take it out on 2 people who obviously are not making any noise or recking havoc on your neighborhood!!!

Interesting. . .

. . This two derelicts depicted in the photo kind of sum up the ambiance of the place. Property tax paying people shouldn't have to be bothered by noise at night when trying to unwind.

A telling comment by the owner of the bar

"It's a touchy subject to talk about with the residents," Richards said in response to the complaints. "They are an older crowd, and they are not open to change."

So the residents who were there long before the bar opened have to change.

That can only come from someone who has a sense of entitlement.

What about the Parrot adapting to the concerns of the residents for quiet enjoyment of their homes and property?

Or is she not open to change?

If some folks want loud music with their beer, use ear buds (pun intended).

sounds to me like

some of those chics have a little too much stuffing!!

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