A modest proposal: Guns in every bar

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A Senate committee is expected to hear a bill today that would allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns into Virginia's bars. If lawmakers pass the legislation, Gov. Bob McDonnell, who has supported the measure, is likely to sign it.

Restaurateurs and others are outraged by the possibility, noting security issues. Some also worry because the bill contains no provisions for keeping out gun-carrying customers and is a threat to property rights. But they may be missing the benefits and opportunities such legislation presents.

To begin with, the proposed law would allow 214,000 Virginians to carry hidden weapons into any establishment that has an ABC license: pizza parlors, bowling alleys, sports bars, nightclubs, country clubs, fine restaurants.

In case anyone is worried about the volatile mix of alcohol and firearms, naysayers should know that the Senate bill requires gun toters to abstain and threatens them with - shudder! - misdemeanors if they don't.

Such a law would undoubtedly be good for tourism in the Old Dominion. Forget "Virginia is for Lovers." Forget eco-tourism. Virginia could make a name for itself in the emerging market for armed tourism: Virginia is for self-defense.

Twenty-three states, including North Carolina, expressly prohibit loaded guns in bars. Virginia, already known as the armory to countless East Coast cities, could cement its reputation as a gun-friendly state, welcoming to all and anyone frustrated by laws back home.

Think of the conventions we could attract! Nashville's visitors bureau bemoaned the loss of business when Tennessee passed this law last year. Virginia should look on the bright side. The commonwealth could market itself as the Wild West of the East, with Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli keeping order as Marshal Matt Dillon in a dark business suit.

The possibilities for creating jobs and stimulating the economy are endless. Nightclubs worried about enforcing the law will be looking to hire more security officers, just in case. Instead of offering coats and ties for under-dressed men to borrow, swank restaurants could offer bulletproof vests. Serving shots would take on a new meaning. Get in a fight over a girl or guy? Call in your armed wingman.

When then-Gov. Tim Kaine vetoed the measure last year, he warned that allowing it to become law would put the public, employees and public safety officers at risk. Restaurateurs argue that they will have no way of knowing whether to serve an alcoholic beverage to a customer because they won't know who has a weapon.

Here's a hint: Given the law, it'll be the one drinking club soda. That might put a dent in a restaurant's receipts, but it'll do the same for Virginia's drunken-driving rate. See how that works? With the right marketing, even good sense's loss can be Virginia's gain.

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Please stop blaming "liberals"

Please stop blaming "liberals" for this anti-gun foolishness. Liberals and progressives who can read and understand history are staunch supporters of the Bill Of Rights, which includes free speech, the right to own and carry arms, and the separation of church and state.

It's not about "liberal" or "conservative". It's about people who respect the civil rights of others (and thus support the right of law-abiding people to exercise those rights), and people who don't. And neither "liberals" nor "conservatives" have a monopoly on the latter.

Somebody is tampering with

Somebody is tampering with the "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" votes.
Why am I not surprised?

This has to be an NRA ad

"normant on Thu, 02/11/2010 at 2:44 pm.
You don't know concealed carry permit holders do you? They have had background checks run on them by law. They are the most law abiding of citizens. Studies show that where concealed permites are permitted, crime rates go down. It is already legal to open carry into 'bars' as long as you don't drink. Though many times it concerns people like you who don't know the laws."

No one but the NRA could be so clueless.

the facts are the facts

"Studies show that where concealed permites are permitted, crime rates go down."

Not just "studies" -- criminological data shows this. The FBI and the Justice Department both confirm this. And while there are currently more police and more people with concealed carry permits than ever before, the rate of police killed on duty (for example) is at a 50 year low. As Craig Floyd, chairman of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, said, "There are three-times more officers on our streets than in the 1970s, and we have half the number of fatalities."

So, essentially you have two groups: people who care about the safety and lives of innocent people, and people who want to disarm law-abiding citizens -- and those two groups are mutually exclusive.

i have to ask

What part of the posting you cite is untrue?

Seems...

you are as clueless as you claim the NRA to be.

but you will not look at facts, just keep repeating the sensationalist, untruthful drivel you hear from the liberal/progressive talking heads.

wrong

The way I feel about guns and the stupidity of our gun laws has nothing to do with any political party. I see it as little boys with their toys trying to over compensate for other bodly or mental deficiency.

Jermflux and insults

When it comes to insults you are the MASTER at it. Always have been and always will be. Sorry you don't like the "little boys with their toys" comment, but it is how I feel. How I feel is something I'm entitled to, and I don't need a political party to tell me how that should be done.
Yes, you can open carry a gun in a bar, but you can't drink. Conceal carry are not allowed to drink, but you don't know who is carrying. IF I had my way every person that entered a bar would be asked if they are carrying a gun, if they said yes they would have to wear a dunce cap during their entire stay. That way everyone would know who they are.

By the way Jermflux, I don't own any cats. Not that it's any of your business. As far as gun related issues, I will continue to voice my opinion and I don't need your permission to do so, nor do I care if you like it or not.

Just another infringement on YOUR rights!!!

This is just one more infringement by the GOVERNMENT on your rights as a citizen! The government has NO AUTHORITY to tell me, (as a property owner and/or proprietor), who I should allow into my restaurant!

I do NOT understand why some you do not get this! And why then does the government always say, "YOU MUST allow people to carry guns on YOUR property!", but then turns right around and says that people are NOT allowed to bring their guns into government buildings, (like the Governor's MANSION), or other places like our schools and especially not in our courts and justice buildings!! If I have to allow people into my establishment who carry guns, then the government should allow people to go ANYWHERE INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION and the jails and courts with their guns.

What a bunch of hypocrites!!!

As Roy says, this isn't an

As Roy says, this isn't an infringement on your rights as a property owner. You have always been perfectly free to bar guns from your establishment. You are and will remain perfectly free to bar guns.

Put up your sign, and I shall respect your wishes. I'll take my business elsewhere, since you don't want it.

All this does is remove the requirement that we uncover our guns before going in the door. Quite frankly, right now it's too bloody cold to have to remove my coat outside the restaurant, thankyouverymuch.

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