The Virginian-Pilot
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RICHMOND
With the prospect of high-speed rail at least six years off, state officials want to spend $75 million on an intermediate step that they say could become reality in half that time: a conventional passenger train from Norfolk to Richmond.
Thelma Drake, director of the state Department of Rail and Public Transportation, told the Hampton Roads legislative caucus Thursday that the money would be spent on upgrading the existing Norfolk Southern tracks, now used solely by freight trains, for passenger service.
She said the train, with a top speed of 79 mph, could be in service within three years.
In an interview later, Drake said the state is still pursuing high-speed rail service, but that is a much more expensive proposition and depends on federal funding. In the meantime, she said, she believes there is a growing public
appetite for an alternative to the automobile.
"There's been a sea change," said Drake, a former congresswoman from Hampton Roads. "The public and our elected officials have come to understand that we just can't build enough roads. They want us to expand their transportation choices."
When and if high-speed rail - at speeds up to 150 mph - becomes possible, she said, new track would need to be constructed to accommodate it.
Money for the conventional rail service would come from the Rail Enhancement Fund, an existing pool of state money that comes from a tax on rental cars. Under law, the fund can be used to finance 70 percent of rail projects, with the remaining 30 percent coming from railroad companies or other sources.
The state budget proposal approved Thursday by the House of Delegates contains a provision waiving the requirement for the 30 percent non-state contribution, allowing the state to pay for the entire project.
That provision is necessary, Drake said, because "there's no foreseeable source for the 30 percent." Norfolk Southern is not willing to contribute, she said, because the passenger service would not be profitable enough.
There is no similar language in the Senate budget plan, but Drake said she hopes the Senate will concur with the House as the two chambers resolve their differences. The project is also contingent on federal approval.
The $75 million would pay only for track upgrades. Money would still need to be found for two stations, at Harbor Park in Norfolk - where the track would tie into the light-rail line now under construction - and at Bowers Hill in Chesapeake.
The service would be run by Amtrak, the national passenger rail operator. It would offer one round trip daily, with possible later expansion to three trains.
It would be the first passenger rail service from Norfolk since 1977. Amtrak runs two passenger trains daily from Newport News.
If the light-rail line under construction in Norfolk is eventually extended to the Virginia Beach Oceanfront, Drake said, "This would let you leave Washington or New York for a beach vacation and never get in a car. It's very exciting."
Bill Sizemore, (804) 697-1560, bill.sizemore@pilotonline.com

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do it
This is a first, but I support Drake's proposal. I am tired of driving all the time. I was in San Francisco/Oakland last week and you can take the BART to the airports, stadiums, downtowns, business district and neighborhoods. It's great, but unfortunately Virginia is still in the dark ages when it comes to alternative transportation. No wonder everybody has 300,000 miles on their vehicles.
Way to Go Thelma ----
You want the State to throw in seventy-five million and the railroad won't touch it? There is a two-billion dollar State budget shortfall and you want to throw away seventy-five million? How in your right mind can you say this with a straight face? Obviously you are not in touch with anyone who matters. No wonder Norfolk was glad to get rid of you.
No politics just the facts
I just checked the price for a ticket from Newport News to Richmond on Amtrak. It was $31.00 one-way per person. When I get to Richmond I will have to rent a car or use a taxi. Who would do this for a 90 mile commute? Going further? One way to Orlando? $150.00 per person - that's not too bad but the train departs Newport News at 9:00am on Saturday and arrives at 10:17am on Sunday. That's 25 hours. Who would do this?
We don't have taxpayer dollars to fund more Amtrak lines when Norfok-Southern has already said that it isn't going to be profitable. That means we would continue to subsidize into the future. Lets look to the future and invest when it's smart. This isn't a good idea. It is just a waste of resource at a time when we can't afford it.
Yes, and a whopping $43 to
Yes, and a whopping $43 to DC where I have no need for a car or taxi, don't have to pay $50 or more a day for parking, can sit back and read a newspaper during the journey while enjoying a cup of coffee, prepare for business meetings and generally arrive in a relaxed state of mind. I take the train whenever and wherever possible. For more extended trips, I enjoy beds in a roomette - for about the same cost as a hotel room for the night (especially since it includes the price of all my meals in a dining car).
over 10 mil took the train in the north east in 2009 ...
Many, many commuters. In fact, the Northeast Regional train had 6.9 million riders in 2009. The Acela had 3 million.
The beauty of trains is they go city center to city center. no need or a cab.
oh ... and with light rail coming, you can take the train to the train.
So please count me as one of the many Hampton Roads riders that will be taking this train!
Those statistics are misleading
While 10 million passengers is a large number, you cherry picked the most successful lines in the nation. They serve a population of well over 10 million and each of those cities have rail or subway service within the metropolitan areas.
According to NARP (a pro-rail organization) between 1988 and 2004 the most profitable year for passenger rail was 1997 where 71% of the expenditures were recovered. That means rail subsidies. If private rail can't make it work why would you believe that Amtrak can?
Are highways subsidized?
I didn't cherry pick the northeast. The northeast is just a fabulous example of how transportation can work. People commute using mass transit.
You have to start somewhere. Because we don't have any commuter rail we shouldn't build it? Your argument makes no sense.
Highways are funded by tax payers. Airports are funded by tax payers (muni bonds), So I am not sure what your argument is. I don't think rail has to be profitable.
Norfolk International is funded by use fees, not tax dollars.
Norfolk International is funded by use fees, not tax dollars.
How can you thumbs down a statistic?
My comments are a statistic. They are factual ... there are the number of riders in one year that two TWO train lines. This is not up to interpretation. I am sorry you don't like the stats
I wonder...
Will they plaster the sides with advertisement so you can't see that no one is riding the train just like they do on the HRT buses? I guess Thelma has not looked up the rates for ScAmtrack, it is much cheaper to fly.