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Low flyover lands two Oceana pilots in hot water

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Two fighter pilots from Virginia Beach have been permanently grounded after flying too low over a packed Georgia Tech football game last year.

The aviators, both from Strike Fighter Squadron 136 at Oceana Naval Air Station and both Georgia Tech alumni, were supposed to pass over Bobby Dodd Stadium in downtown Atlanta at 1,000 feet, the standard altitude for military flyovers.

Plans called for two jets to pass overhead after the conclusion of the national anthem, shortly before Georgia Tech took the field against Wake Forest on Nov. 7.

Instead, the two F/A-18 Super Hornets flew just a few hundred feet above the stadium.

The low-altitude pass may not have been intentional, but it seemed to thrill the crowd. Within hours of the game, various fans posted videos on the Internet of the jets screaming overhead.

"However much of my tax $$ went to that, I'd gladly give it again for the same purpose," one fan wrote on a Georgia Tech sports blog two days after the flyover. "It was INCREDIBLE."

According to documents obtained by The Virginian-Pilot, Lt. Cmdr. Christopher Condon and Lt. Cmdr. Marc Fryman reported the breach immediately after landing. The Navy quickly convened an evaluation board to consider whether they should continue flying.

The board found that they chose to fly using barometric altitude measurements (feet above sea level) instead of radar altitude measurements (feet above ground level) but failed to adjust their low-altitude warning systems accordingly.

By the time the alarm sounded, the pilots didn't have enough time to correct the mistake.

Although the pilots "inexplicably failed to recognize" how low they were flying, the board concluded, their lapse was neither intentional nor malicious. It recommended putting both pilots on probation, an outcome endorsed and forwarded up multiple levels of the chain of command.

But the final authority on the matter, Rear Adm. R.J. O'Hanlon, commander of Naval Air Force Atlantic, disputed the conclusion that Condon, the lead pilot, had unintentionally flown that low.

"The arguments written by prior endorsers that LCDR Condon's actions were an honest mistake are not persuasive," O'Hanlon wrote. "He is a senior, very experienced department head who placed his aircraft and wingman in a very dangerous position."

O'Hanlon also had tough words for Fryman. Despite a spotless record, O'Hanlon wrote, Fryman's complacent response to the altitude transgression and lack of situational awareness were "unforgiveable in my view."

Lt. Cmdr. Phil Rosi, a spokesman for the Norfolk-based Commander Naval Air Force Atlantic, said the Navy would not confirm the pilots' names. The field naval aviator evaluation board process is administrative, Rosi said, one of naval aviation's internal checks and balances, and carries with it an expectation of privacy.

"I can confirm that this incident happened," Rosi said, and because minimum established guidelines were violated, the Navy took appropriate action to handle it.

O'Hanlon's decision was not disciplinary, and he recommended that both men be retained and shifted to a different specialty. He described both as motivated and dedicated naval officers.

The report also noted that it was only Condon's second flyover - and his first as the pilot of the lead jet.

Kate Wiltrout, (757) 446-2629, kate.wiltrout@pilotonline.com

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Integrity or Business as usual

This is an integrity moment for Naval Aviation. The lead got what he deserved but the wingman? There has been a more dangerous flat-hatting event reported by a Hornet in Guam on March 13th. It is likely to be buried because it is a senior officer and the leadership thinks it can get away with it. Problem is all the JO's know and the Hornet records all the data. Integrity, Commitment and Honor is doing the right thing even when nobody is watching. But even in this case they are.......

Living in Blissful Ignorance

"Most of us, most of the time, live in blissful ignorance of what a small, elite, heroic group of Americans are doing for us night and day. As we speak, all over the globe, American Sailors, submariners and aviators are doing something very dangerous. People say: 'Well, it can't be too dangerous because there are no wrecks.'

But the reason we don't have more accidents is that these are superb professionals; the fact that they master the dangers does not mean that the dangers aren't real. Right now, somewhere around the world, young men (and women) are landing … aircraft on … pitching decks … at night! You can't pay people to do that: they do it out of love of country, of adventure, of the challenge. We all benefit from it, and the very fact that we don't have to think about it tells you how superbly they're doing their job -- living on the edge of dangers so the rest of us need not think about, let alone experience, danger."

~ George Will, ABC News Commentator

I personally think that RADM O'Hanlon (a good man) went too far in trying to make an example of thes fine Americans by destroying their careers, but we all know what opinions are like.

For those of you who

somebody pass this along to the good Rear Admiral please . . .

Definite overreaction on the part of the Admiral. Admirals are, in general, as the saying used to go "like a teat on a boar hog", i.e. "useless". About the same as today's Washington politicians, many of whom are for the most part worthless. When it comes to preserving our great nation, I'll take one skilled (and yes daring) active pilot, over a hundred useless, pencil pushing, ladder climbing, self-centered admirals any day! I note elsewhere that the good Admiral was once the executive officer on the USS Carl Vinson. Well Carl Vinson was once my Congressman and I can assure you he would have kicked the good Rear Admiral's Rear back to his hometown of New York City. By the way, I was at the game and it was an awesome flyover and helped instill pride regarding our military in thousands of spectators. God bless America! Not so much pompous Rear Admirals!

George, George, George!!

So you think you get to be Air Forces, Atlantic by being useless? Several pilots who have seen this video absolutely cringe when they see what these irresponsible hacks did.

And I'm not sure what your reference to Carl Vinson is supposed to do except make us understand all Tech alums aren't blessed with critical thinking skills.

You ARE a Tech alum, with a famous (or infamous, if you wily Techsters' exploits were known) moniker, and admitted attendance at the game, I presume? And based on your remarks about flags, I'm guessing either your dreams at becoming a second Napoleon were somehow thwarted or you're one of these two bozos contemplating a new designator.

KissMyHardy . . .

. . . no, I believe that the Admiral got his title/rank by playing the political games necessary and making the political decisions necessary to get ahead and that this is obviously still his modus operandi.

The reference to Carl Vinson who served as Chairman of the Armed Services Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives was simply an acknowledgement of the irony of the fact that this admiral once served on a ship named for a man that understood that the sailors, soldiers, and airmen have a lot more to do with the success of our military than political brass.

No, I am not, as you speculate, one of these two patriots, and unlike you, I have not "met each of these individuals", but these "bozos" or "boys" as you so inappropriately labeled them in your 03/29/2010 10:07 a.m. post deserve more respect than you seem capable of understanding.

As for your comments regarding me making "remarks about flags" (I didn't) and your reference to "Napoleon", what the heck are you talking about (or smoking)?

Act of Arrogance

The ability to fly these jets is commendable and taxpayers will suffer the loss.
But we don't need people who think like these 2 pilots, they can step aside, there are pleanty more
who will jump at the chance and follow the rules.

These pilots chose to make this irrational decision, showing total disreguard for their training or the safety of thousands of people. This action questions their decision making abilities for countless other situations they may encounter in combat or otherwise.

The only problem....

I see here, is that the pilots broke the low attitude, fly over rule. Hey! come on people, its not as if they killed some friendly troops, or fired a missile into the wrong home, in Afghanistan. Or was sitting in the cockpit smoking dope. Some of you old folks, can be so up tight. If the young people say it was cool. IT WAS COOL, and It just added more fun, to the game. I say fine the pilots $200 dollars a piece. Donate the money to the navy relief. And let their CO, give them a good tongue lashing. CASE CLOSED.

Bulldozing my house

Actually, maybe they will bulldoze my house, maybe they won't - I can't get a clear answer out of the Navy yay or nay one way or the other; and no, the problem is not Oceana encroachment, the problem is the OLF which the Navy seems determined to put here to alleive the alleged problems with Fentress...we here, have already been informed that the rules in Chapter 7 of the current Navy regulation 11010.36C regarding strictures on property use, restrictions on occupancy and anything up to and including condemnation (which is more likely, given the revised map I have only recently seen) will be enforced here. Yet, for Virginia Beach, a different set of rules from the same document (Chapter 6) are being enforced. Thus, VAB gets to decide (within limits) which and what kind and where, to pursue development...while Currituck County, under the rules of Chapter 7, will lose all control over not only the core area, but the entire zone of influence within, I think it is, 3 miles of the center of the core area...hence my contention that my house will be bulldozed. And my ire that the Navy has one set of regs for one side of the border while it has another for us, does not help salve my mood

I'm sorry . . .

Sorry to hear that. And sorry to see someone gave you a "thumbs down" just for explaining that to me.
I thought you were a little harsh with the pilots initially, but now see that you are upset about something else. Easy to understand how hard it is to be objective just now . . .

Flyover - Right? Wrong?

Most posters disagree with permanent grounding. Me too. But I also heartily disagree with comments basically telling the military to quit practicing, to stop learning & to end training. Perhaps that isn't the exact phrasing, but there are comments that complain about jets & air fields. So the daily din makes thinking or talking an impossible task. BUT--We are the lucky recipients of a safer nation because of the training that our men & women in service are given by way of our tax dollars & our personal sacrifices. THEY sacrifice by going overseas, by working long hours, by extended deployments away from their families & by knowing every waking moment that they could be called into war. Just enjoy the freedom this brings us. Support our troops!! If you have a better way of securing America, then go for it, but until you do, stop griping about jet noise.

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