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Va. Senate subcommittee votes down gun bills

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By Michael Sluss

RICHMOND

A hastily formed Senate subcommittee voted Thursday to defeat legislation that would repeal Virginia's one-handgun-a-month law, likely killing the proposal for the year.

The Democrat-dominated panel voted down several pro-gun bills that had been passed by the Republican-run House of Delegates, keeping the bills from getting a hearing in the full Senate Courts of Justice Committee. The committee's chairman, Sen. Henry Marsh, D-Richmond, said he won't put the bills on the full committee's docket when it holds its final scheduled meeting Monday.

Marsh appointed the five-member subcommittee Monday, stacking it with Democrats who favor gun control. Marsh said he formed the panel because the full committee already had devoted significant time to gun legislation this year.

Republicans and gun-rights advocates said Marsh's move was an end run around the full Courts of Justice Committee, where bills could have picked up support from pro-gun Democrats.

"I think in my alert I will call this 'The Ides of Marsh,' " said Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, musing about the headline he would put on his electronic newsletter to members.

While Marsh declared the rejected bills dead Thursday, one Republican senator did not rule out making an effort to revive them in the full committee.

"I don't think it's the end of the road for these bills," said Sen. Mark Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg.

Senate subcommittees typically don't kill legislation; they usually make recommendations to full committees. Senators have grumbled about established House of Delegates rules that enable House subcommittees to effectively kill bills, including measures passed by the Senate.

By the end of Thursday's meeting, the Senate subcommittee was voting down bills with as few as two members in the room. Absent senators left proxies to record their votes. Sen. Fred Quayle of Suffolk was the only Republican on the subcommittee.

The Marsh-appointed subcommittee voted 4-1 against a bill, HB49, that would repeal Virginia's law limiting handgun purchases to one a month. The 1993 law was a signature initiative of then-Gov. Douglas Wilder, who pushed it as a means of reducing illegal gun trafficking.

Opponents of the repeal said scrapping the law would, among other things, open the door for straw purchases of guns that would be resold to criminals and others who want to avoid electronic background checks.

Supporters of the repeal argue that the law has lost its effectiveness partly because lawmakers carved out an array of exceptions over the years, including one for gun owners with concealed-carry permits.

The subcommittee also rejected a bill, HB69, that would exempt from federal laws firearms and ammunition made and used in Virginia.

But gun-rights advocates have still scored victories in this session.

Both houses have passed legislation that would allow gun owners with permits to take concealed handguns into restaurants that serve alcohol.

They also have passed a bill that would let individuals without concealed-carry permits store firearms in locked vehicle compartments.

 

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Repeal one gun a month yourself

Take a class, fill out the application, go to the courthouse and pay the fee, get fingerprinted, and wait 45 days. You will be able to join Virginia's over 200,000 CHP holders and will be able to buy more than one gun per month without the "Death Star" committee forming to tell you that you can't!

I have never been more discusted with coruption in richmond

The rules of the senate say that the special committee can only make a recommendation, not kill bills. But, they do it anyway...why because they are corrupt and believe they can get away with it.

Corrupt and disgusting. Truly a new low in Virginia politics.

And once again...

the people's will is trumped by politicians.

Marsh/Thugs

Senator Marsh's actions reflect why gun legislation that limits the rights of the people to own guns is a bad idea not to mention un-Constitutional. Those who have the exclusive power to regulate, with out fear of reprisal, do what he did by nullifying the vote of the House of Representatives. The Senate has made him all powerful in this matter with no means to change it, he has all the guns and the Citizens have nothing. The actions of Mr. Marsh only magnify the reasons the U. S. Constitution would not have been ratified with out the Bill of Rights. It is time for Virginians to make a change in Richmond and kick the bums out.

The Sub-Committee Members - Identified

Northern Virginia anti-gun rights Senator “Toddy” Puller (D-36 Mount Vernon) Chaired the Special Sub-Committee. She was joined by her fellow known and demostrated "anti-gun" colleagues; Senator Henry Marsh (D-16 Richmond), Senator Louise Lucas (D-18 Portsmouth) and Senator Janet Howell (D-32 Reston). The sole Republican member of the Sub-Committee will be Senator Frederick Quayle (R-13 Suffolk).

Going after those few is not enough

If Marsh and his cronies are to be prevented from doing this again, we must vote out enough Democrats from the Senate so that he no longer has the power to create and appoint sub-committees.

That means even Democrats with pro-2nd Amendment records must be voted out in order to deny the party control of committee appointments.

I would, of course, prefer they be replaced with Libertarians, the only party which adheres to the Constitution is all cases, but one way or another, Democrats must lose their majority in both houses if our rights are to be protected.

Accuracy

"Both houses have passed legislation that would allow gun owners with permits to take concealed handguns into restaurants that serve alcohol."

Thank you Pilot for accurately using the phrase "Restaurants that serve alcohol." Too many anti-gun reporters, even some from the Pilot, use the words "bars" in order to scare people. Your wording accurately reflects VA law. We won't have "bars" in VA. Restaurants either have ABC licenses or they don't.

I usually jump to correct inaccurate reporters who do that so it's only fair that I take a minutes to thank you for your accuracy.

bars

Bars in VA have to sell food. When I think of a restaurant I don't think of bar food because there is more drinking going on than eating, but the law will allow guns in bars. That's the wrongness of the entire darn law.

You do know the revenue...

standards for establishments that sell alcohol?

Well, when 51% or more of your revenue comes from food, how can you say that there is more drinking than eating? Last I heard 51% is more than 49%. But my math is a little fuzzy.

you might be right, but I'm not sure

I question the 51% of food to alcohol, but I'll look into it. I thought it was much less, but look at it another way.
I know of a bar that sells breakfast and lunch, no dinner. The bar is packed at night with all alcohol sales.
There are some very nice restaurants that have a bar area. Many people go there to eat and have a couple of drinks before they eat, while other customers just go to drink at the bar. No eating required.
When I want to go to a bar/club I don't go to eat, I go to have a few drinks with friends. When I want to go to a restaurant for dinner, I don't go there to sit at the bar.
The mere definition of bar/restaurant/club in VA is a joke.

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