Beach officials, safety advocates divided over Shore Drive

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VIRGINIA BEACH

Is Shore Drive dangerous?

Not really, city traffic engineers say. Many roads are worse, reports show. The 45-mph speed limit is appropriate, and adding crosswalks and traffic signals could cause more problems, they say.

"It's phenomenally safe," said Robert Gey, the Beach's top traffic engineer.

Families of the dead see it differently. To them, and increasing numbers of other people, the road is dangerous.

"How many people have to die before something is done?" Scott Hulce asked. His daughter, Whitney, 25, died last month after being struck by a car on Shore Drive.

"It seems like a common-sense thing," said Tami Jones. Her son, Arnold Lee Jones, 21, was killed on the road in October.

Ten pedestrians have died in the past eight years on the 11-mile road that stretches along the Bay before ending at the Atlantic Ocean.

Hulce and Jones are part of a growing movement – partially fueled by a community Facebook site – pushing for changes on Shore Drive.

The burgeoning group wants speed limits lowered to 35 mph from 45, more crosswalks, better lighting and a flashing beacon system to help pedestrians cross the busy road.

They're planning events at Shore Drive restaurants to raise awareness, flooding the City Council with e-mails, making rubber bracelets that will say "Save Lives on Shore Drive," and hoping to print cocktail napkins for restaurants cautioning patrons of the road's danger.

Tension between the dueling perspectives – obvious at a recent series of community meetings – will play out this summer as residents and city officials grapple with what, if anything, to do. A safety task force created in 2005 after five pedestrians were killed on Shore Drive will probably be reconstituted.

At a recent meeting of the Bayfront Advisory Committee, a City Council-appointed group, member Norman Carrick addressed Jones and her friend Erin Tonelson.

"I'm sorry for your losses, but I'd like to inject some physics into the equation," he said.

Carrick went on to say that lowering the speed limit would not have a significant impact, because the stopping distance for cars would not change much. (The per-second stopping difference between 45 and 35 mph is about 15 feet.)

A visibly stunned Tonelson said, "I'm not even going to touch that."

Apart from being a hot spot for bars and restaurants, Shore Drive is the major east-west corridor in northern Virginia Beach. Depending on the section, 11,000 to 39,000 motorists use the road daily, many traveling to First Landing State Park or the beach.

The challenge from a traffic engineering perspective is to move motorists through the area while making it's safe for cars and people within the corridor.

"It's a huge conflict," Gey said.

David Williams, vice president of the Shore Drive Community Coalition, said it's time to stop treating the road as a major thoroughfare.

"We no longer have a major arterial," he said. "We have a road running through our community."

The city's ranking of dangerous roads – with No. 1 being the most dangerous – puts Shore Drive near the middle. The section where Hulce and Jones were killed is ranked 131st out of 216 roads The formula assigns value to fender benders (1 point), accidents with injuries (3 points) and fatalities (12 points), including pedestrians, then factors in traffic volume to come up with a danger score.

The ranking is a snapshot of three years of data – 2006, 2007 and 2008 for the most recent list. It divides roads into small sections. For example, there are eight sections of Shore Drive, each with a different score.

As a result, it's hard to get a full picture of an entire roadway over a long period of time. There is no formula that analyzes a road's danger to pedestrians.

Safety advocates point to one number: 10, the number of pedestrians killed on Shore Drive since 2002. That's almost one out of every three of the 35 pedestrians killed citywide in the same time span.

"What other number do you need?" Hulce said.

The next-most-dangerous road for pedestrians is the more heavily traveled Virginia Beach Boulevard. Seven pedestrians have been killed there since 2002. On the city's list, Virginia Beach Boulevard is divided into 11 sections with danger rankings from 1 to 206.

Four pedestrians have been killed at the Oceanfront.

Mary Lynn Brown stopped while walking down Shore Drive last week. She's taken a lead role in organizing residents to push for road improvements.

"There are no crosswalks at all," she said, pointing to the left and right. About four-tenths of a mile away in both directions were traffic lights, the nearest pedestrian crossings. "It's way, way too far to expect anybody to legally cross the street."

She stood in front of Cabo Café, the bar that Hulce and Jones left before being killed.

Police said Hulce and Jones were under the influence of alcohol and not in crosswalks when they were hit. The drivers have not been charged.

Brown said people are going to continue to drink along Shore Drive, so improvements need to be made to help people cross.

"That's human behavior," she said. "That's not going to change."

June McDaniels, a resident who has worked on Shore Drive safety issues for years, said: "I always want our drunk people to be just as safe as all the other drunk people. I know that's politically incorrect."

The big push for advocates this summer will be to try to persuade city officials to lower the speed limit to 35 mph.

"That's the easiest fix," Hulce said. "How hard is that? We try to be so smart and educated to figure this all out, but you just need common sense."

Gey said studies show the road is correctly rated for 45 mph.

Last year, a residential section of Shore Drive near First Landing State Park was lowered to 35 mph after homeowners complained about motorists driving fast. That change came from the City Council; Gey did not recommend it.

"We have done the proper analysis, and we believe the posted speed is appropriate," said Deputy City Manager Dave Hansen, who oversees the Public Works Department, which includes traffic engineering.

A subsequent city study showed most drivers are going through that section of Shore Drive at 41 to 43 mph, slower than the 44 to 52 mph motorists are driving on other sections of Shore Drive.

Vice Mayor Louis Jones and Councilman Jim Wood, who represent different sections of Shore Drive, said they would support lowering the speed limit if that's what residents wanted. Support is not unanimous.

"I'm not 100 percent sold on the idea," said Kal Kassir, chairman of the Bayfront Advisory Committee. "I need to have more evidence."

In addition to getting drivers to slow down, advocates want to have the speed limit lowered to give pedestrians more rights. In Virginia, motorists must yield – but not stop – for pedestrians in crosswalks if the speed limit is 35 mph or less. If the speed limit is over 35, motorists have the right of way at crosswalks.

"If it's over 35 miles an hour, they can just run you down, and they won't even get a ticket," Brown said. "Who would think that would be the law? The public thinks they are safe in crosswalks. It's a false sense of security."

Ultimately, advocates said they want the state law changed.

"That street is not like any other in Virginia Beach," Tami Jones said. "It's full of pedestrians, and none of them have the right of way."

 

Aaron Applegate, (757) 222-5122, aaron.applegate@pilotonline.com

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I was shocked...

After I'd heard that there would be a reduction to 35 mph on Shore Dr., I was shocked to learn that it wasn't for the section between Lessner Bridge & Great Neck, but for Great Neck to Seashore Park!
Why didn't they just do both at once?

Again....As I read these

Again....As I read these ugly comments regarding how people THINK these deaths occurred....I get more furious. I will state it AGAIN...before you pass judgement or make an opinion on how this tragedy occurred maybe you need to think about the family, because as I read this knowing how this tragedy occurred I just can't believe what I am actually reading. AGAIN....the media only wants to publish what makes a good story not ALL of the truth and none of the negative comments are correct as to how this tragedy occurred. What if it were your family member, and not all of the story was being published, and people were degrading the victim.......AGAIN THINK ABOUT IT!

Do tell!

Then by all means - identify youself as a credible source and provide the facts! Better discussion will follow!

Slow it down

Here's a few off the wall ideas. Place a scanner on the stretch of shore drive in question. If a driver is over the speed limit it will trigger all lights to turn red on a predetermined stretch of Shore drive.

Or if the scanner detects a majority of cars going over the speed limit, the speed limit is lowered using LED Speed Limit Signs.

Or lower the speed limit from Great Neck to the foot of the Lesner Bridge.

Or grind groves into the road so the tires make a humming noise loud enough to alert the driver. Like they have on interstate highways.

Or put low level speed bumps on the road, not the kind that will send your car 10 feet off the ground but high enough to alert the driver.

knowthefactsfirst

Before people begin passing judgements on the victims stating they are at fault or not you really need to know the facts. Alcohol or not imagine if it were your family member that was the victim and you had to read these ignorant posts from others. Again, before making disparaging comments about looking both ways, getting into vehicles, parenting or anything rude for that matter you should really think about others. You don't know the WHOLE story...the media has ONLY chosen bits and pieces for what would make a good story. Come on now....think about it first.

What it boils down to.........

It isn't just the pedestrians who get hit that lose, the people driving the cars that hit them had their lives changed forever even though it wasn't their fault. I have an uncle who had a child run out infront of his car and he hit the child and the child didn't make it. He wasn't speeding, it wasn't his fault, he didn't get a ticket. But it all but destroyed his life. He has a hard time living with it, it haunts him still. Being right doesn't change the horror of the event. Measures should be taken to protect the pedestrians and the drivers from these accidents that clearly seem to be repeating themselves.

We Just Don't Have the Ability

Old, slow, and not to bright. Welcome to Hampton Roads. Yup, we’re definitely living up to our reputation, which recently got the attention of the Brookings Institution (link below). I have every confidence that the neighborhood groups, victim’s families, and city officials will make the wrong decisions and ultimately screw up Shore drive worse than you can possibly imagine. The intelligence and wisdom to deal with this issue and others like it simply isn’t there. We just can’t do it. This debate should end with no more money spent so that everyone can get back to pounding beers. That’s the one thing we ARE good at. It apparently is far more important than anything else.
http://hamptonroads.com/2010/05/old-slow-and-not-too-bright-welcome-hampton-roads?page=8&cid=srch

"Phenomenally Safe"?

I find it difficult to believe the city's top traffic engineer could describe this section of Shore Drive as "phenomenally safe". Ten pedestrian fatalities in eight years and he feels this roadway as not just safe, but phenomenally so? Really?

Its a highway not a byway

Shore Drive is NOT a residential street, it is a major throughway and not a place for pedestrians, bikes, or staggering drunks wanting to party, Va. Beach has Town Center and Atlantic Ave. for those purposes. The city is right, there is nothing wrong with Shore Dr. except for people who insist on walking or biking along a road with no bike lanes or sidewalk. People who party a bit too much and have their ability to judge distance and ability to move impaired. Lowering the speed limit will not change those behaviors on iota. Lastly for you bikers, the rules of the road apply to you too. No weaving between stopped cars, no running red lights, no cutting in line in stopped traffic...for some reason when a biker is hit those issues are never brought up.

I agree

As much as I used to drive around Va Beach in the past when I was home, I had no issues with Shore Drive or other streets. I live in Phoenix now where most roads in residential and business areas are up to speed limits of 45. The people here have no problem with getting hit by cars. The thing I remembered learning as a child was look both ways before you cross the street and whether you drop the speed limit on shore drive or not, human error still plays a role in people getting killed. People say that 10 deaths in 8 years is too many. If it was that in half the time then I would be more concerned but it's not so I say the road is safer than people think.

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