Navy to Norfolk Little Leaguers: Find a new home

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NORFOLK

For decades, Fleet Park Little Leaguers have shagged pop flies and swung for the fences on diamonds at Norfolk Naval Station.

Now, the Navy says the league's 2011 season at Fleet Park will be the last, because its six ballfields are in the flight path to Chambers Field, putting players at risk.

A recent study concluded the fields, not far off Hampton Boulevard, are in a designated "clear zone," or most likely crash site of the runway. A study in 1999 indicated the same results, but the league, with more than 550 players, was allowed to continue playing.

It's the second league to be evicted in two years. Ocean View Little League played its final game on different fields on the Navy property last year and uses temporary digs while it looks for a permanent new home.

City officials say they might be hard-pressed to find new sites for the leagues.

The city spent $450,000 to help refurbish Fleet Park in 1994 and was surprised to learn that the Navy now considers the ballfields incompatible with that property.

Councilman W. Randy Wright said hundreds of thousands of dollars also were donated for the renovation.

"There were some assurances made" that Fleet Park could continue to serve as a recreation facility, he said.

Terri Davis, public affairs officer at the naval station, said the Navy entered into a 10-year agreement with the city and the Fleet Park Little League in 1993.

"The memorandum states that it expires in 2003 and that at that time, all improvements on the field would revert to Navy possession," Davis said.

The Navy warned in 2001 that teams would not play there after 2003, because of the clear zone issue. Since 2003, Fleet Park Little League has used the field on a year-to-year basis, Davis said. Charlie Triplett, president of the league, said it spent $38,000 last year on improvements. The league never would have invested that money if it had known eviction was a possibility, he said.

During a presentation to the City Council on Tuesday, Capt. K.M. Johnson, commanding officer of Norfolk Naval Station, defended the Navy's decision, saying the potential for a crash in Fleet Park, located a half mile from the airstrip, is just too high to allow hundreds of children to play baseball and softball there.

Mayor Paul Fraim, whose children once played at the field, asked Johnson whether the definitions of crash zones had changed since 1994, and Johnson acknowledged they had not.

"I cannot speak for previous management," Johnson said. "I don't know why they allowed entities like this to operate. They should not be allowed to operate in this area. We realize it's not popular.

"But on the other hand, it would not be popular to allow this to occur if something were to happen."

At least one high school, Norfolk Collegiate, also uses the park.

Last year, Ocean View Little League, formerly Naval Air Station Little League, was evicted from a 2.8-acre site on Navy property because of a pending construction project. It had played on the Navy's property for 52 years.

This season, the league, which has 28 teams and about 350 players, shares the fields occupied by Azalea Little League at the Norfolk Industrial Park on Pineridge Road.

Ocean View Little League president Tony Snyder said he knew about eight years ago that his league's days on federal property were numbered.

The league has identified a potential site behind Ocean View Elementary School and is in talks with the city, Snyder said. Fraim said finding places for the two leagues to play now is clearly in the city's lap.

The city responded to similar pleas in the 1980s by helping relocate the Little Creek National Pony League from Virginia Beach to Tarrallton Park and the Azalea Little League to its current site.

"We're going to hear from hundreds and hundreds of parents asking, 'Where are our kids going to play?' " Fraim said. "These leagues have been entrenched in this community for years. We have to do what we can to help."

City Manager Regina V.K. Williams circulated a memo to council members Tuesday suggesting a short-term solution could be spreading the two leagues to various city fields all over the city.

Fraim said that can't be a long-term solution, as it is impractical for families with children playing in different age groups to drive to several locations. Fraim asked Williams "to put together a group to try and work with the leagues to come up with a solution."

Fraim said the city will appeal the decision to the Navy, as well as the city's congressional delegation. At worst, he said, he hopes to get an extension. The Navy's stand, however, seems firm. The Navy has explored the possibility of alternative sites for the leagues on the naval station, but has no acceptable locations, Navy spokespeson Davis said.

"We're been very, very fortunate in the past that nothing has happened."

 Lia Russell, (757) 222-5829, lia.russell@pilotonline.com

Harry Minium, (757) 446-2371, harry.minium@pilotonline.com

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Terri Davis, public affairs officer at the naval station

If the navy will not allow the park to be used for its intended use what will the land be used for ?

Wow, this is very uplifting to me.

I am not used to reading people saying they can go about life's business and the USN doesn't bother them. I wish that sentiment would become contagious. However, the complainers did manage to get their jab in at the CO.

HMMMMMMMM

I'm trying to get myself wrapped around this whole conversation and had to frame it in my mind a different way. Here is a little food for thought: What if the fields weren't there and the Navy announced they were building Little League fields in a documented airfield crash zone. We would all be outraged that they would be so careless and willing to endanger our children. If you agree, then don't waste your time complaining that removing them is a bad idea.

As for those arguing that its a million to one shot of having an aircraft crash there, (I always love that argument), I'm assuming none of you buy lottery tickets..... what would be the point. With your logic...you'll never win. You are giving your money away..LOL. Or better yet, "we've been there for years and nothing happened before"...tell that to folks in Nashville. Doesn't mean it can't happen.

A little confused...

OK, I don't understand a lot of things... But if this area is too dangerous to play baseball, 3-5 hours a day during fall ball and the spring, what the heck can they do there? Is the Navy planning to bulldoze every buidling in the area and rope it off like a mine field? Or would a navy building there be acceptable? Is the ruling because they are children? Are sailors allowed to play/work in the area? I have lots of questions that I honestly don't know the answers to right now... And help out there?

Should Fleet Rec Park Be Closed

If the little leaguers can't use the park because of safety issues then how can sailors and their dependents use the park? Are they also at risk?
Seems to me that Capt. Johnson has opened pandora's box...
What is all of the construction on Hampton Blvd in front of the Fleet Rec Park?

Another Base CO Getting Press

Another attempt by a Naval Base CO covering his backside on his I wanna be an Admiral PQS card. Don't waste any more time writing here folks...write the Congressional Delegation.

Fleet Park

God knows planes can and do crash anywhere. Do we close the Norfolk schools that planes continually fly over or near. Crossroads Elementry, Mary Calcott, Northside. It's the land and the Navy will use this land for its purposes as is just and fine

Wonder what people and the Navy are saying about the

other end of Chambers Field? Do a google map review of the East Side and see what is happening over there. While the little league teams are there a short portion of the overall year and day, the people on Bayview BLVD, Swanson, Commadore, Rodman, Burrage, Evans RD, etc are all in a similar Crash Zone. Is the Navy addressing the East Side problem? There is about 130 houses in this crash zone who live there year round. What about all those people? How are they impacting the mission? How safe are they? How are these people impacting the training fidelity for our pilots?
The Navy's decision to not allow the little league teams to play is a proper one. Is the Navy saying it is safe to LIVE in a crash zone 24/7, but it is unsafe to play in a crash zone? How can the Navy allow this incompatible development to continue knowing the risks involved? They are NOT powerless to fix this. If Norfolk will not address this safety problem, the Navy must. Is the Navy willing to abandon flight operations at Chambers Field if they will not address this safety issue?

Other End of Chambers Field

Great points. The AICUZ report is publicly available and the Commodore Park neighborhood streets you mentioned (as well as parts of I-64) are well within the clear zone. The official report makes no recommendations regarding the LL complex or this neighborhood; the CO of the base decides to close the LL fields for "safety concerns."

OK -- but what about the 130 homes in the clear zone at the other end? and I-64? Capt. Johnson, isn't that a safety issue as well? Where is your concern for this end of the runway? Or is the clear zone a pretext to evict 550 Norfolk children from your property after a 30 year relationship?

Captain, by your logic, you should either convince the Navy and City to evict the residents of Commodore Park, or close down Chambers Field.

Their choice

Since the Navy owns the property that the ball fields are on it is easier for them to control who uses it and when. There for they have made the decision in the interest of safety for the civilian community.

The Navy does not own the property the the houses are built on, however, the owners who bought thise houses knew there was an air field there and willingly accepted that fact when they signed the contract and closed on their houses. You will also notice that the Navy does not have military housing anywhere near the the crash zones in either Norfolk or Oceana All of those houses were built long after the air field was contructed. That is why Virginia Beach is still in danger of losing NAS Oceana to a BRAC closure.

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