The Virginian-Pilot
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Correction: The original version of this story incorrectly said a study suggested that high-speed trains between Hampton Roads and Washington could produce a surplus of nearly $1 billion a year. The study said the trains could generate a surplus of nearly $1 billion over the 30-year life of the project.
CHESAPEAKE
A railroad consultant predicts that high-speed trains between Hampton Roads and Washington would not only be popular, but also highly profitable - operating at surpluses of up to $1 billion over the 30-year life of the project.
Local transportation officials, however, are highly skeptical.
Alex Metcalf, president of Transportation Economics & Management Systems Inc., said the preliminary results of his study surprised even him, generating double the ridership that he'd expected.
"Like most people, I'd never heard of the Hampton Roads -Washington rail corridor - it has no profile outside of Virginia," said Metcalf, whose business is in Frederick, Md. He said his projections show it's as economically strong as the main rail corridors planned in Florida and Ohio, both of which won millions of dollars in federal stimulus money this year. He said it's one of the top 200-mile high-speed rail corridors in the country, with the potential for 4 million riders in 2025.
The corridor, with trains running to both South Hampton Roads and the Peninsula, could cost between $3 billion and $6 billion to develop and would generate an operating surplus of $500 million on the Peninsula and nearly $1 billion in South Hampton Roads by 2025.
Those numbers are based on trains running at 150 mph on the Southside and 110 mph on the Peninsula. The trip to Washington would take 2 hours from Norfolk and 2 hours, 22 minutes from Newport News, he said.
Slower trains, at 79 mph, would lose money and higher-speed trains, starting at 90 mph, would yield smaller profits, he concluded.
Metcalf presented his findings Wednesday to the Hampton Roads Transportation Planning Organization, which paid him $167,000 to develop a Preliminary Vision Plan for high-speed rail. The organization is considering extending Metcalf's contract to more fully develop his findings.
"I see a pot but not the roast," Del. Glenn Oder of Newport News said, questioning how Metcalf arrived at his findings. "How are we making these quantum leaps without meat on the bones? "
Del. John Cosgrove of Chesapeake said: "It's an awfully happy presentation, but a lot of us are thinking how in the world did they come to those conclusions."
Metcalf's work is meant to supplement some of the studies the Virginia Department of Rail and Public Transportation is doing on high-speed rail from Hampton Roads.
"We are very concerned about the assumptions we're finding in this study," said Amy Inman, state transit planning manager. She said some of the assumptions are "very aggressive."
Metcalf said he's been building high-speed rails for 40 years across the world and he's confident in his findings. He said he's developed 150 train forecasts and they've been accurate within 20 percent.
"We'd be the first to say, 'No, guys, don't waste your time on this,' " he said, as he did to officials after studying a Kansas City-to-Denver corridor.
"But this is a very buildable corridor. I'm surprised nobody's done anything about it in the past, " he said.
Dwight Farmer, planning organization executive director, said the board will conduct a peer review of Metcalf's work "with a healthy skeptical eye."
"There's a lot of questions about the numbers, the assumptions, the policies," he said.
Several planning organization board members said they don't want their skepticism of Metcalf's findings to be interpreted as opposition to high-speed rail.
"It's important we support this," said Portsmouth Councilwoman Elizabeth Psimas. "High-speed rail has garnered more support than any other transportation project in the region."
Hampton Roads Transit President and CEO Philip Shucet urged the group not to let the long-term prospect of high-speed rail overshadow the more attainable conventional passenger train that the state is working to bring to Norfolk within three years.
That train would be the first passenger service in South Hampton Roads in more than three decades and would connect to Norfolk's light-rail line at Harbor Park.
Debbie Messina, (757) 446-2588, debbie.messina@pilotonline.com

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Ummh ... its not profit? Its operating surplus.
It would be shocking if HSR from Hamption Roads to anywhere would generate a profit, competing against the massive subsidies we give to cars ... but the story leads off with "profitability" even though it REPEATEDLY gives the accurate information, "operating surplus" throughout the article.
Too many of the benefits of any transportation project go to third parties to justify a chase after profit: except when the third party COSTS are extremely high, a transport system that is not running at an overall loss is being underprovided to allow all the other people benefiting to get a free ride off the payments by passengers.
The Peninsula system, at 110mph, is the "Emerging HSR" class of HSR that can run in existing corridors, sharing track with freight by adding enough passing lines, and with any level crossings upgraded to the safer four way gates with speed-sensitive trips. This is much less expensive than the 125mph, which can be placed in existing rail corridors but needs either full grade separation or "hardened" crossings (for example, sliding hardened steel fence gates) and normally its own dedicated track.
The Northeast Corridor Acelas that presently run to DC could wel
Verily I say...
all this talk of light rail, wind mills, electric cars and trains to DC is the devils tongue. Tear thy evil zipper from your clothes, clasp your buttons and hitch up your horse and buggy peasants it is the way of the Common wealth. All Hail King Kookie. Lost in the 50's tonight.
What?? 1 Billion a year vs. 30 yrs??
Wow! An all day debate here about the numbers and the Va Pilot now says "oops ... my bad ...not 1 billion a year, but 1 billion over the 30 year life of the project"?? Talk about a typo!!
Read the presentation
A cost benefit study generally expresses its conclusions as the net present value today of an anticipated revenue stream over an period of time. If you read the presentation of the study on the HRTPO web site, you will see that is what is presented. An earlier poster, Trip, commented below on the effect of the contribution of TIF financing to this positive economic impact. In many large projects of this type, a tax increment financing district is established such that the increased value that occurs within that district is captured to help finance the project itself. So perhaps the property owners in the district pay a higher tax rate, and that increase helps pay the PPV for its investment in the project. This can be done, and the fact that we have one of the best business cases in the country ought to be exciting to our community.
Statistics don't lie
Statisticians do!!! I find it odd that people will jump on any bandwagon where dollars SEEM to be falling off...beware those that push/pull the carnival wagon. Could be snakeoil salesmen pontificating.
its the Pilot
did we really expect top-notch journalism?
Lost out on a deal
HRTD lost out on a deal here. I would have done this study for half that amount...and I would have generated even better hypothetical revenue numbers.
$167k and an offer for even more
These overpaid consultants are amazing. Are you sure this guy did'nt look like Tony Morris the Mag Lev guru? Maybe it's Randy Wright incognito, after all the boy needs to get paid too! Especially since the billion dollar boondogle-Light Rail is so far off track. Come to think of it I believe this guy might have given a favorable opinion to the Sportsplex. Look out here comes that spur to the major league soccer mecca. You cant make this stuff up.
Showroom Catnip
Here we go again! Y'all are sucking this bait in faster than a big ol' Bass sucks in a fly. It's only showroom catnip. This is the way all of these losing projects start out. On the other hand, nothing that proved to be a big money-loser would ever get built if the promoters and their shills didn't lie from the gitgo. Follow the money. The planners, lawyers, engineers, and a couple of companies like Skanska are going to get the $$$ that ultimately comes out of the Taxpayers' pockets. Fares will be unaffordable unless subsidized,operating deficits will mount,ridership will fall after the novelty wears off, etc. I know. I've seen it happen. Right here in the City of Tiny Lights...
All HSR projects around the world ...
... generate an operating surplus. Even the American Acela, which hits the 110mph level often enough but rarely tops 125mph, and which is in a go-slow zone through most of Connecticut because the track is too close together to allow it to tilt ... runs an operating surplus, and has for years.
Like any transport project, you fund the capital works if the overall economic benefits justify for it, since the capital cost is not going to be paid back ... but unlike most transport, including cars and planes, the high speed rail can cover its own operating costs and fund its own maintenance.