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Norfolk won't air council's work sessions on TV

Posted to: Local Government News Norfolk

NORFOLK

Almost every city in Virginia televises informal meetings of its city council so residents can see their elected leaders at work.

But the sessions won't air anytime soon in Norfolk.

The council rejected a proposal from new council members Tommy Smigiel and Andy Protogyrou to begin televising the informal work sessions. Smigiel and Protogyrou both campaigned for more transparency in city government when they ran for election in May.

Most of the work done by the Norfolk council occurs during the informal work sessions, where members gather around a conference table to hear staff presentations and discuss controversial issues. They then head upstairs to council chambers, where they vote on the issues they often just debated at the informal session, usually without any discussion.

Virginia Beach, Portsmouth, Chesapeake and Suffolk all televise their work sessions. Virginia Beach airs all council meetings live, as well as School Board and Planning Commission meetings.

"Nobody has made a rational argument as to why we shouldn't televise our council meetings," Smigiel said. "It sends a bad message to the citizens that surrounding cities do it and we do not."

Smigiel was pleased, however, that the council agreed to begin televising its formal sessions. Norfolk now broadcasts about half of the formal meetings. Broadcasting all of the meetings can be done at no additional cost.

The cost of televising the informal sessions was an issue to some members.

City Manager Regina V.K. Williams said it would cost $32,000 to install cameras in the meeting room and $10,000 annually to broadcast the sessions. It would cost another $40,000 to dub the broadcasts for the hearing-impaired.

"That's one school teacher's salary," Councilwoman Alveta Green said. "If we have any hot button issues, other cameras are going to be there."

Councilman Barclay C. Winn, who is undecided on the issue, suggested that the group reconsider the matter in May, when the next budget is adopted.

However, it appears unlikely anything will change. A council majority is opposed, including Green, Mayor Paul Fraim, Vice Mayor Anthony L. Burfoot and Councilman Paul R. Riddick.

"If people weren't able to come to informal sessions, I would understand the need for cameras," Burfoot said. "As long as the doors are open and people can come in and sit and listen to us," he is in favor of the status quo.

Fraim, who was re-elected with 64 percent of the vote against three opponents in May, said he heard little about televising meetings during his campaign.

He said he's worried that the demeanor of council debates would be changed by the presence of cameras.

The council retreat, held Monday and Tuesday at the Attucks Theatre, was not televised.

Many of the dozen residents who attended complained they could not hear council members and asked them to speak up. But they had no problem hearing an exchange between Fraim and Smigiel.

"How many people over there would watch" if meetings were on TV, Smigiel asked spectators.

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa," Fraim said. "This is a council discussion."

Most of the spectators, nonetheless, raised their hands.

 

Pilot writers Marjon Rostami, Deirdre Fernandes, Lauren Roth, Dave Forster and Jeffery Shuler contributed to this report.

Harry Minium, (757) 446-2371, harry.minium@pilotonline.com

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What are they afraid of?

The people who see the "dog and pony show," would never vote for the dogs and ponies. (Except for Andy and Tommy, who are already awesome Council members!) And that my friends is exactly what the Mayor and Council are afraid of. The Mayor and other Council members have been in the ring too long. You can hear the sense of entitlement in their comments. Unfortunately, there is too much apathy (present readers excluded) in the general public to pay attention, care about things they should be caring about, or even to get out and vote. I think it is time for a referrendum limiting Council terms! Those in office the longest care least about what the people want, at least in Norfolk. We need to put the old dogs and ponies out to pasture and get some fresh ones in the ring. We can already see the great ideas and independent thinking from our two newest council members. We need to help them by adding new Council memebers, turning out the voters November 2nd and again in a year and a half. Tommy and Andy can't do it alone! VOTE November 2nd!

It's not going to change until changes are made

The election of Smigiel was a step in the right direction. He at least had the backbone to speak up.
There will be a special election and the mayor has already handpicked his "annointed" candidate- Angelia Williams.
Voters need to ask themselves- should we accept business as usual (the mayor's appointed candidate) or stand up for our city. If you live in Ward 7, please make sure to vote on election day.

Simple matter of benefit vs. cost

I strongly feel that the benefits associated with having city council discussions that are more open and transparent far outweigh the relatively modest costs of TV broadcasting. With most votes in the public session taking place without any discussion, the public is missing a vital piece of local government operations. Every other local city does this. Why not Norfolk? It's easy to say that the work sessions are open to the public but access to these sessions in Norfolk (timing, parking, room accomodations, etc.)is difficult for many citizens. A tape delay re-broadcast in the evening would be much more convenient and useful. If this attirude on the part of council continues, then next election there will be more new council members who are more sensitive to the public thinking than the current majority.

because

Norfolk is the non-comic version of Gotham in Virginia. Thank you Tommy.

Lord Fraim...

I've been on the council for 24 years and never have I heard the citizens wanting to be informed but when it comes to Lord Fraim...

On VDOT:

"This is not the spirit of cooperation that we've grown accustomed to," Fraim said. "They literally said, 'This is what we're going to do — end of discussion.'"

Whats to hide

Mayor Fraim said,” he’s worried that the demeanor of council debates would be changed by the presence of cameras."
Should their demeanor be the same all the time? This is crazy, it is quite clear that the council that does not want this, does not want the people they represent to know and see the truth. God we need to wake up and clean house.

They Must Really Think We Are Stupid

Amazing how cost is an issue for something that is needed. I'm really insulted that they would throw out the cheap shot that the cost would hire one teacher. What about the endless studies of Waterside? What about the country club memberships? What about all the losses due to bad management (credit card abuse, paying non-workers)? No, if they televised the work sessions we might see all they are doing, or better yet what they aren't doing. Riddick said cameras will be there for the hot button issues. It is the day to day little things they screw up that scares me.

What are these people thinking?

City Council members are elected to serve the wishes of the people. This group, with the exception of Andy and Tommy, does not get it. Instead, these elected individuals hire family members and friends, cover up any and all transgressions that the VP does not uncover, lie about events when they are "found out,"and then they want to continue doing these things in secret. It is very difficult to understand what is wrong with these people.

Its not the cost

Norfolk's council is so dysfunctional that televising their informal sessions would make them look even more foolish than they do already. If the public is seeing how ridiculous they act now, can you imagine what goes on behind those closed doors. They talk about things that they in no way want us to hear. Riddicks profanity laced tirades would be aired for all to see. Then, and only then would Norfolk's citizens wake up and vote these idiots out of office. The two new council members are out voted and are essentially helpless to change what is going on in that ivory tower.

Government works best...

when it is open and the citizens can participate. As we have discovered, from the investigative reporting by the VP on the light rail expenditure, city credit card abuse, CSB scandal, failing schools, officials abusing their office, governing in secrecy fails all of us. Thank you Councilmen Smigiel and Protogyro and please keep trying to bring open and transparent government to Norfolk.

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