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Psychologist: Teen in Landstown case was sane

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VIRGINIA BEACH

The first mental health expert to interview Philip Bay after he was charged with planning an attack on Landstown High School found the teenager sharp, well-spoken and sane.

Forensic psychologist David Keenan spoke with Bay within days of his arrest in April 2009 at the behest of the public defender initially appointed to defend him.

Keenan's testimony in Circuit Court on Friday offered a much different image of the 19-year-old, who was described as insane by three other mental health experts called by the defense earlier this week.

"He knew right from wrong and had the capacity to control his impulses," Keenan said. "He did not meet the finding of insanity."

Keenan was called as a rebuttal witness by the prosecution, which has said Bay was calculating and manipulative.

James Broccoletti, the lawyer now defending Bay, has argued that his client was not legally responsible for his actions because he suffered from a mental defect.

A clinical psychologist, a child psychiatrist and a forensic psychiatrist who testified for the defense Thursday said they support that conclusion based on their individual evaluations - the earliest of which came seven months after Bay's arrest.

Bay suffered from untreated mental illness, a dysfunctional family life and ridicule from classmates throughout elementary and middle school, those experts testified. Bay believed God wanted him to attack his school with sawed-off shotguns, pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails, they said.

"The person does know what he's doing and does know that it's legally wrong but is unable to prevent himself from doing it because he's psychotic," said forensic psychiatrist Paul Mansheim, who testified for the defense.

Bay had created hours of video and written hundreds of pages in the two years prior to his arrest that detailed his plans and motivations for an attack on Landstown.

Broccoletti noted that Keenan had not reviewed those videos and documents prior to finding Bay sane, and he suggested Keenan's evaluation was not as thorough as the other three.

Keenan said he has since reviewed all of those items. "It does not change my opinion."

Landstown Principal Brian Baxter also testified Friday. He said Bay was suspended for five days in October 2007 for wearing a belt with seven .50-caliber bullet casings in the cafeteria. The incident came six months after Bay was recommended for expulsion for bringing a hoax explosive to school.

He was allowed to return to Landstown in both instances.

Jurors will listen to final arguments Monday before deciding whether Bay is guilty, not guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity.

If the jury finds him insane, Bay would be evaluated to determine whether he required detention and treatment or could return to society. He faces life in prison if convicted.

Kristin Davis, (757) 222-5131, kristin.davis@pilotonline.com

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Think!

No one, especially a parent, wants any harm to come to children. This young man is obviously very unstable. His actions were wrong in the worse way. However, mental illness is a very scary and tricky disability. And a standard diagnosis doesn't always apply. Everyone's mind works differently.

In my opinion, his behavior was not only a cry, but a scream for help. Some of the behaviors mentioned, seem to be that of an awkward misfit. That can't feel good. Maybe his parents did try to help. Maybe they didn't. But it is very obvious to me, that he did not get the help he needed. And, I am not sure if he would have gone forward with his plans. But had he done so, it would have cost lives!

in 1981

Im 1981 John Hinkley shot Ronald Reagan, and was found guilty of being meantally insane and confined to a mental instution.
This guy is definately mentally ill, but it's not my call to throw him in jail. He needs to be taken out of society and placed in long term care facility. I firmly believe he knew what he was doing, but then again I'm not sitting in court.Thousands of people are treated for all types of mental illness and if this guy is bi-polar then he needs to be treated.To think this guy could do in his home what the reports say, then where in the hell was his parents because surely they too are insane. I will never understand how parents are not responsible for their children. These parents are quilty of neglect, and that's abuse.

Philip Bay and Landsdown incident

It is sad that many of the folks commenting about Philip Bay and his actions are ready to condemn a person suffering the anguish of mental illness. If you have never had a mentally ill family member,you need to learn about these illnesses before you make a judgement. Mental illnesses are as serious and real as cancer or heart disease. Perhaps those who have little knowledge of these ailments need to volunteer at a state mental hospital so they can get to know, personally, how these illnesses manifest themselves. And,they can begin to understand that treatment not punishment is the way to deal with illness.It is the humane thing to do for your fellow humans who are the unfortunate victims of these devastating conditions.

Not Insane?

A jury decided this kid isn't insane.It is obvious that he is absolutely crazy. How that occurred, constant bullying, I don't know but the insanity defense was appropriate. Ever heard of "battered woman syndrome?" That's when a women is driven mad by cruelty and commits murder so that the pain will stop. It is a valid defense. You know what else is crazy? I heard this somewhere. I don't necessarily agree with it all the time but someone said that the problem with our legal system is that the defendant is at the mercy of 12 people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty. These were not trained psychologists who were educated enough to weed through the mental health professionals' testimony but made a decision anyway.

it's fair to say i understand the mechanics of mental illnesses

my daughter & i are both bipolar.i also have ptsd & ocd;my daughter has odd & adhd.i graduated college, raise my family & volunteer w/in my community.my daughter was severley bullied throughout middle school(weapons/threats involved against her & worse),she has never been off honor roll & also does volunteer work.neither of us ever uses bipolar as a crutch or excuse.we know right from wrong & accept the consequences for our actions.the fact that mr. bay pre-planned this for 2 years,as evidenced in video & journal entries shows he knew right from wrong.i agree that he needs treatment to become stabilized but he definitely needs incarceration to understand that there are consequences to his actions.bipolar did not MAKE him do anything.

Yeah Ok...

Then you let him live with you. He probably didnt finish high school, being that he was arrested......so let him finish school with your kids!!!!

If we dont have him locked up in prison, then he needs to go away for life at a mental institution!!

Whats wrong with some of you people with these "poor kid," "you never had a mental illness" attitude???? Wake up!!

For those who want to lock him up and throw away the key

Remember this! He was caught before he committed the unspeakable act of shooting up his school. Thank God for all the individuals responsible for stopping it. That said, he cannot be put away for life. He will eventually get out after he is rightfully convicted (my opinion of course since I am not on the jury hearing all the evidence). When he gets out, it will fall upon an already overburdened system to track his activity for a period of time (probation and parole officer). I want him locked up, definitely. I also want him to get treatment/counseling as he will reenter society, whether you and I like it or not.

Jury decisions

How many of these jurors were qualified mental health professionals who were able to understand the conflicting testimony of the experts? Were any of them physicians. May be one of them worked in a doctors office when they were young.Would you want them making decision about you? And since he was convicted, why did they pick one professional's opinion over another? I would NEVER want a jury trial if I were charged with something that could put me away for a long time. 12 people who have no special qualifications to make educated decisions regarding another's mental health status and can put you in prison for life is very scary?

What is "normal" today?.

Today's "normal" is yesterday's eccentric/wacky/nuts.

Blue hair, black lipstick/nail polish, pierced noses/eyebrows, orange contact lenses, gold "grills," tattooed foreheads, holes in earlobes big enought to drive a VW through, etc. ... don't even get a second glance.

Can't wait for tomorrow.

YIKES!!!!!!!

This is both sad and very scary that this kid was out here walking around with these "thoughts" in his head.

Thank God he was caught before he had the chance to act on this plan.

He needs a lot of help and that means "time away" from Society.

Unfortunately I believe he'll "surface" again somewhere in life with another plan like this.

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